Checking on cooling and ease of RGB config

[Famicus]

Case
COOLERMASTER MASTERCASE H500M GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 16-Core Processor i9-12900K (3.2GHz) 30MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX Z690-F GAMING WIFI (LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair DOMINATOR PLATINUM RGB DDR5 5200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 Ti - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS ARGB GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
250GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 2300MB/W)
1st Storage Drive
1TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (up to 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Braided Power Supply Cables
CORSAIR Premium Individually Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro - Blue
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H100i ELITE LCD Display RGB CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 PORT (1 x TYPE A, 1 x TYPE C) USB 3.1 PCI-E CARD + STANDARD USB PORTS

Cooling:

• I'm going to purchase in early September, and will select the 360mm iCUE then.
• Is it possible to place a bottom mounted intake fan for GPU cooling in the CM h500m? I think you can partially detatch the PSU shrowd to allow space down there, but I don't know if there is mounting available when you do so. Regardless, removing a chunk of the shroud should allow for more cool air to hit my GPU.

RGB considerations

• I'm mainly going for a mix of purple and gold.
• I don't need RGB to spill out of my case on on to my desk, keyboard, and mouse (yet!)
• Given the above, will I need an aRGB controller? I think my mobo has some capability built in.
• My RAM and AIO is Corsair, but the front fans are CM. I don't think iCUE will see the CM fans- can anyone confirm? Will additional software bog me down anything terribly?

 

[MrWilson]

If you're looking to order in September, I would wait until the new generation of CPUs and GPUs come out. We are expecting very large performance gains from Intel, AMD and Nvidia and it will likely change what we would recommend for you.
The rest of the build needs a bit of work as well, so it will be worth starting from scratch again closer to when you want to order.

 

[Famicus]

That sounds awesome! But I simply can't wait. I just can't! I'll honestly be happy as can be with what my budget can afford in September.

But regardless of what GPUs and CPUs get unleashed upon the world, I'm thinking I'll still need proper cooling and I'll want to pursue a vision wrapped in LEDs. I don't think those will change too much, so I'm still very much curious about my questions.

 

[SpyderTracks]

That sounds awesome! But I simply can't wait. I just can't! I'll honestly be happy as can be with what my budget can afford in September.

But regardless of what GPUs and CPUs get unleashed upon the world, I'm thinking I'll still need proper cooling and I'll want to pursue a vision wrapped in LEDs. I don't think those will change too much, so I'm still very much curious about my questions.

Even if you were to go with old gen, prices will have changed by september, so what we'd configure now would be different to what we configure then.

 

[Aza]

The cooling you have in the above build wouldnt cope with the cpu you have chosen, the 12900 also has thermal issues of its own due to its bracket and the heat it puts out, it effectively warps making the contact between the cooling plate and the cpu less effective and so even more trouble to cool.

There are other things that would be advised against too, but pointless going throuigh it if you are waiting for the new tech in autumn (amongst which are AMD cpu's that will blow intel out of the water again)

I would suggest coming back in sept and getting some help with a spec then, I would not order what you have spec'd above.

 

[Famicus]

Looking around I'm seeing a lot of thermal issues with the 12900 leading me to wonder what even is adequate cooling for this chip? Most solves came from manually setting lower settings on this core or the other. And then is this issue simply indicative of the i9 series? Or was gen12 just hot in general?

I am still looking for help on the RGB side of things. For now, I would still want to go with the case for its fans, but will I need to budget for an RGB controller as well?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Looking around I'm seeing a lot of thermal issues with the 12900 leading me to wonder what even is adequate cooling for this chip?

The chip is faulty and bends leading to any cooler plate not being able to make proper contact, that's why a lot of them are overheating. It's a very poorly designed CPU in a lot of aspects.

Overheating 12900k? Thermal Grizzly have a solution

So we should by now be aware of the problems with the 12900k IHS bending to the point it no longer makes full contact with the heatsink and leads to thermal issues. Buildzoid went full depth into the issue and was the first to recommend shims as a solution. Thermal Grizzly have now released a...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Be aware though that applying that mod above, which is currently the only solution other than basic shims, will void your warranty according to Intel who say that the chip bending is expected

Intel Comments On Alder Lake's Warping and Bending Issues, Mods Void Warranty

"Nothing to see here, folks"

www.tomshardware.com

 

[AgentCooper]

Intel, who say that the chip bending is expected

 

[SpyderTracks]

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Too true, it's literally intentional lies to prevent investors bailiing out, it's nothing more than white collar crime by intentionally misleading. But it's no different to their attitude with Spectre/Meltdown, the bigwigs at that time all sold off their stocks before announcing the fault which they'd known about for 6 months prior which is insider trading, but of course they faced no consequences. That's also aside from the 10 years of intentional crippling of progress to maximise profits. Why anyone still chooses Intel I just don't know.

 

[Famicus]

Hay! Wait a gosh darned second!!

but man - if i wait for next-gen's general release it'll be 2023 before I buy something. That makes me sad =(

 

[SpyderTracks]

Hay! Wait a gosh darned second!!

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but man - if i wait for next-gen's general release it'll be 2023 before I buy something. That makes me sad =(

Yes, I've been Intel for years, but as you can see, mine is the last before they started releasing pointless iterative updates

Next gen is announced in September with release in October

 

[Famicus]

Is there any chance of seeing Grizzly's contact frame as an option from PC Spec?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Is there any chance of seeing Grizzly's contact frame as an option from PC Spec?

I can say with certainty a definite no, as already stated, under Intel's terms, it invalidates warranty, PCS wouldn't supply anything that invalidates warranty.

 

[Famicus]

Previous post: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/threads/checking-on-cooling-and-ease-of-rgb-config.89228/ featuring a 12900k. warmed about heating controversy.

I mainly want to game my little heart out, but I also want to keep options open to stream and edit video. After 8 years or so I'd like to make this a home server or pass it down to a child.

Case
COOLERMASTER MASTERCASE H500M GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 12-Core Processor i7-12700K (3.6GHz) 25MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 (LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
10GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS ARGB GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Braided Power Supply Cables
CORSAIR Premium Individually Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro - Black
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR iCUE H150i ELITE LCD Display RGB CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
2 PORT (1 x TYPE A, 1 x TYPE C) USB 3.1 PCI-E CARD + STANDARD USB PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence

I stepped back the i9 for an i7. I think I read the 9 really doesn't lend too much more towards the gaming experience. I'm hoping the i7 will still have more than enough power to handle streaming alongside the 3080.

More than one of you told me I should wait. I should. But I've been waiting since I started my new job in February and it hurts =(.

Please help me nail down a sound spec so I can start obsessing over the manuals and whitesheets!

 

[Aza]

I dont think its been asked yet, what monitor are you using/planning to use with it?
Can understand the 32GB RAM is you want to be able to stream and do stuff like video editing on it, I dont see the 12700 causing you problems with that either.

Just trying to understand the 3080 choice.

Still a couple of other points to highlight
Corsair coolers come with a decent thermal paste already, the arctic mx4 isnt better than the what pre-applied stuff is, so its a waste of £9 and also can introduce greater risks of a bad paste job where its then done manually.
The 1TB 980 pro is actually slower than the firecuda 530, so i'd swap the games drive over
You're paying a lot for the LCD display on the pump head with the cooler, if your happy to do that its fine, just be aware that the cooling performance isnt any different to the Elite/XT model, its the RGB/LCD display that you are paying for. A H115i should also be fine on that CPU and would open up other case choices.
Win Pro is more aimed at corporate customers and has domain features to it, its not like older versions of Windows which used to have a lot of extras tucked away in Pro, so unless you're using it with domains and setting up stuff like corporate email addresses and stuff, you arent going to get anything extra out of it.

I can see you're willing to spend a premium, but in my mind, that makes even more of a case to wait and take the brand new AMD's when they release and the new 4000 series GPUs. Its a couple of months, I get you are getting itchy to buy it, but the performance is going to be so much better than what you could spec now, Intel or AMD.

 

[Famicus]

That's interesting on the paste.

I'm looking for the best intersection I can find between a wide 34" and refresh. Right now I think I'm considering a Samsung Ody G5.

I'll have my desired budget saved byAug/September. I am a US ex-pat.. there we have Black Friday as a major shopping event. I think the UK participates as well? I'll hold on for a sale, but I don't feel value in waiting for the newest new.

A lot of sources had some nice reviews on Intel 12 three quarters of a year ago. But it wasn't until sometime later the troubles came to light. Isn't it possible new gens can always run into this?

 

[Aza]

With that monitor, I would of thought a 3070 or pushing the boat out a 3070 Ti. If you were looking at high refresh 4K it would warrant the 3080, and from whats been said theres a couple of cases of ultrawide monitors that benefit from it such as teh Samsung G9's.
The 3080 would just be burning cash, and if its taking you towards your budget limit, can easily be directed elsewhere to give actual benefit.

The new gen CPU's are AMD in Sept, and every indicator is that they will take the lead back from Intel (12th gen recovered it from AMD after AMD had been in the lead for quite a while in nearly all areas). Plus the 4000 series GPU's are set to be another noteworthy improvement over the 3000 series.

AMD doesnt have anything like the history Intel does, especially when it comes to covering up problems....

 

[Scott]

If you're holding off till August it would be very silly not to hold out until the AMD refresh. The 12 series right now makes sense from a gaming perspective, but not by a huge margin. AMD have pretty much clawed their way back into contention with their pricing.

With the next generation AM5 will be better than Intel across the board. It'll open up the potential of new technologies and offer more performance for the same cash.

It's definitely the way I would go.

Regardless, the 3080; as suggested, is wasting cash. The 3070/Ti would be a far more sensible fit.

Overall, with an AM5 build and some savings on the GPU, a 2023/24 upgrade would see you in contention for a high end gaming PC for the next 5 years easily.

 

[Famicus]

Greatly appreciate the insight on matching display to GPU. I saw the Odyssey g9 at CES, and oh man would I love to take that home! But no I think you're right. The 3070ti looks a better option.

I think I veer towards Intel purely b/c of brand history and recognition. You know?... A terrible reason, basically.

I'm not at all trying to chase the top of the line. My gaming history is professional laptops from work using i7s and old Quadro gpu's. Beyond that it was all consoles. I really don't need the latest and greatest to be happy. My birthday is in September, and so is my budget goal. I can wait another month or two.. but beyond that I'm going to burst. I just want to see the next gen of games to automatically set me at ultra-high graphics and some tasteful RGB to go with it.

You guys are awesome, btw. I was dead set on going chillblast, but your inventory and community are blowing them out the water. But hey... Can a man get a white CM h500m?!

 

[Jasontvnd]

With that monitor, I would of thought a 3070 or pushing the boat out a 3070 Ti. If you were looking at high refresh 4K it would warrant the 3080, and from whats been said theres a couple of cases of ultrawide monitors that benefit from it such as teh Samsung G9's.
The 3080 would just be burning cash, and if its taking you towards your budget limit, can easily be directed elsewhere to give actual benefit.

The new gen CPU's are AMD in Sept, and every indicator is that they will take the lead back from Intel (12th gen recovered it from AMD after AMD had been in the lead for quite a while in nearly all areas). Plus the 4000 series GPU's are set to be another noteworthy improvement over the 3000 series.

AMD doesnt have anything like the history Intel does, especially when it comes to covering up problems....

With all due respect Aza it was only a few years ago AMD lost 12.1million in a class action lawsuits with there bulldozer CPU's advertising basically fancy HT cores as real cores.