Thinking of Defiance III

SpyderTracks

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Well, I thought that chipset = motherboard, so I thought if it's says Intel hm170 chipset, it means that it's Intel motherboard.
In any case I do hope you are correct, I'll try it for myself in about a week, hopefully. Thanks again for your clarification.

Intel don't make motherboards, they just license the chipset design for manufacturers to build on, just like nVidia or AMD don't make graphics cards, they just license the designs to manufacturers.

All laptop chassis motherboards are made specifically for that chassis by the manufacturer, in this case Clevo.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
And how much bigger is the 230W compared to the 200W? Because if it does not make a difference that I would like to take the smaller and lighter power brick.
Phone PC Specialist to ask.

I get the impression they will give you whichever power brick is appropriate for your laptop, and that the reason the only reason they have power adapters in the dropdown menu is so that you can buy 2 of them if you want rather than just 1.

Phone them and ask, they don't bite :)
 

Roblucci

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Okay I asked about the chipset, the Clevo chassis they use and if they motherboards come together with the chassis. To some it up the website is not updated and they do use the HM175 chipset and the Clevo model is the P670HP6-G. They also swapped my 200W with the 230W power adapter.:p
Here I leave my conversation I had with the technician using the online live chat on PCS website.
Andrew:
Hello, we are here to help you for Sales advice, if you have a technical question please give us a call on 0333 011 7000.

Me:
Hi, I have couple of question about the 17.3 Defiance III.
The first one is technical, in the Detailed specification is written that the chipset used is the Intel HM170 6th Gen core processor support, which is in the SkyLake Intel family. But the 17.3 Defiance III is sold with the Intel 7 gen CPUs KabyLake Intel family, namely the 7700HQ and 7820HK, therefore the HM170 chipset won't be able to fully used all the features of the KabyLake CPUs. So my question is, the chipset in the website accurate ? or the Defiance III you supply comes with the HM175, which is capable of supporting the new KabyLake CPU features? And for curiosity which Clevo chassis does the 17.3 Defiance III comes with?
Second question in my order. I requested the 200W power Adapter but with my current selection of the GPU, the GTX 1070, I saw that the 230W is the suggested power adapter. Can I change my order to switch my current 200W power supplier with the 230W?

Andrew:
We'll be right with you.
Andrew has joined the chat!
Hello, you are speaking to Andrew. Please give me some time whilst I look into this for you
One moment i am double checking this for you!, sorry
In the meantime however the chassis is : Clevo P670HP6-G
Yes, i have now changed the PSU to 230W

Me:
okay thank you

Andrew:
The description is not correct, sorry about that, i have sent a message to our web team to investigate/change

Me:
so I assuming that the chipset is the HM175 then, I think If you can grab the handbook manual for the 17.3" Defiance III, it should say which chipset it has, do the Clevo chassis come with the motherboard already installed?

Andrew:
One moment,
It is HM175,
They come together but not installed, we install them

Me:
ok, sorry If I so nitpicking but I like to have detailed information about technical products.
Okay thanks a lot for the help

I got to say that for at least the 17.3" Defiance III the page is not updated, because a few days ago I also asked about the accuracy of the pictures, since in the specs it has said it has 2 USB type C ports, but in the pics I only can see 4 USB type A ports. I got told that the pics were not updates and the web dev team will be informed. So they still use the old Clevo chassis pics and specs in their website even though they sell the newer model, which is 95%+ the same as the former.
 

Ohmu

Active member
Thanks for all your replies, guys! It's awesome to be able to get such informational help on this forum.
It's all cool then, then apparently I don't have to worry about the motherboard anymore.
Couple more questions, since Roblucci just discovered that the model of this chassis is Clevo P670HP6-G:
1 - Is there any difference in its appearance from what is displayed on the website currently? Apart from the USB ports ofc. upd nevermind, apparently not
2 - In the review you provided it says that this laptops display supports G-Sync, but its not mentioned on PCs website. So does it also apply to our "upcoming" laptops?
 
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Oussebon

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If you try to order a laptop with a 3k, 120hz, or 4k screen (options available in various chassis) it will warn you that those screens don't support gsync. Unlike the 1080p regular one where you get no such warning. I'm pretty sure the 1080p panels do have it.

I feel like the laptop blurbs used to say they had gsync too. It's possible they revised that after some instances of people ordering the higher res screens not realising they didn't have gsync. I recall this happening in a couple of instances.

If in doubt, again I'd suggest phoning them or livechatting them as above :)
 

Ohmu

Active member
I already ordered a defiance iii 17"3, but there was no other options available for the panel anyway. Just a usual IPS FHD. I don't really hope for a g-sync support, as its not mentioned there, but ofc it would be awesome to actually get it after all. I'll try to get an answer in a web chat tomorrow, as I'll have to pay a price of a new laptop (I mean roaming charges) if I'd try to call them now from my current location (Russia).
 

amoshi

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I already ordered a defiance iii 17"3, but there was no other options available for the panel anyway. Just a usual IPS FHD. I don't really hope for a g-sync support, as its not mentioned there, but ofc it would be awesome to actually get it after all. I'll try to get an answer in a web chat tomorrow, as I'll have to pay a price of a new laptop (I mean roaming charges) if I'd try to call them now from my current location (Russia).

Just a reminder, you have to disable your iGPU for G-Sync to show up in the NVidia control panel. You can disable it via Clevo Control Center.
 

Ohmu

Active member
What I find strange however is that I don't seem to be able to find that P670HP6-G chassis on Clevo's website. It could certainly clarify if it supports g sync and what update rate the display has.
@amoshi , I see you own a defiance iii (of a previous version at least ), maybe you could help to answer these questions?
 

Ohmu

Active member
Oh well, I asked PC today and they told me that it doesn't have a G-Sync support, and the update rate is 60hz.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
That's pretty disappointing. I know you said you weren't expecting it, so I guess it's not a deal-breaker for you, but the gsync was one of the main attractions of the Defiance series over, say, the Proteus.

It's also not very good that they still have the "no gsync" warnings for the higher res/refresh screens in the configurator, as it could lead people to believe that the 1080p screens are still gsync ones.

Gsync would matter more to me, especially at that price range. Though I said the other day PCS would be my 1st port of call for laptops, if that's their current offering I'd certainly look elsewhere :S
 

Ohmu

Active member
Yeah, I wasn't really expecting it to have it anyway, you are correct. But it would be a great addition for this laptop imo.
But in my case, since I own a bigger 23" external monitor which I intend to use for gaming instead of the laptop display, it doesn't really matter, well most of the time at least.
 

amoshi

Gold Level Poster
What I find strange however is that I don't seem to be able to find that P670HP6-G chassis on Clevo's website. It could certainly clarify if it supports g sync and what update rate the display has.
@amoshi , I see you own a defiance iii (of a previous version at least ), maybe you could help to answer these questions?

Yea I heard PCS no longer offer the I7-6700HQ, didn't know that would affect other aspects of the laptop such as the screen. The chassis I have is P670RSG and it has a 75Hz screen with G-Sync. Maybe that's what the G is for in P670RSG because on the interwebs I saw it often being stated as P670RS-G, perhaps meaning it's optional. If @Ohmu says that PCS said that the chassis is P670HP6-G I would disable the iGPU and reboot and see if the option is there simply because it's a 1 min job. (and report back plox)
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
didn't know that would affect other aspects of the laptop such as the screen.
I don't think the change in CPU has anything to do with the difference in screen. It's totally unrelated.

They stopped stocking the 6700HQ ages ago, and only recently had a bit of stock in. The panel they use wouldn't have anything to do with the CPU.

If @Ohmu says that PCS said that the chassis is P670HP6-G I would disable the iGPU and reboot and see if the option is there simply because it's a 1 min job. (and report back plox)
Definitely worth checking.
 

Ohmu

Active member
It wasn't me who said that they use P670HP6-G now, it was Roblucci who asked PC about it. In any case its weird to me that they upgraded the CPU but downgraded the chassis (display). I'll definitely check out what you suggest once I get my laptop, its not like its a major thing anyway, but a nice to have indeed.
 

Ohmu

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Actually found some more info related to the chassis version and a g sync:
A post from some discussion which explains the chassis code:
P6 - BGA with high end GPU
5/7 - 15/17 inch
0 - Variant. Differs from model to model. For example, P770DM was the 980M variant and P775DM could mount the 980.
H - Kaby Lake
P6 - 1060
P650HP6. If you see a -G it means G-Sync. You can see all the models Clevo offers here (a clevo website link was here), and then it's just a matter of seeing what model has what and using some common sense. If you see a Kaby Lake P670RP6 it's a mislabeled P670HP6.
And then I've found this:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sager-NP...B-DDR4-Samsung-512GB-NVMe-SSD-1TB-H/735237029 (and few more examples which state that this chassis has a g-sync capable display)

So either one of the consultants me and Roblucci contacted was wrong. If defiance 3 indeed uses the P670HP6-G chassis, it supposed to have a g sync. Else its not a P670HP6-G chassis, but a different version. I really don't think they get those chassis without the display panel already inbuilt into it, and whats the point to replace it... You get the point. We'll see soon anyways.
 
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Oussebon

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PCS have themselves said that the model of panel can vary. Moreover, many chassis have different panel options. And other companies sell these chassis with gsync high refresh rate panels.

So while I agree with you it's a real possibility that the PCS rep got it wrong and it will turn out the Defiance has g-sync, I'm not sure the panels are always the same model.
 

Ohmu

Active member
Oh, well I thought panels are all the same on the same chassis. Alright, then, we'll see. I'll sure report back and review my laptop once I get it.
 

Roblucci

Member
The absence of G-Sync is not a deal breaker for me. I am not really going to be a heavy gamer and secondly I was planning to cap the frame rates to the display's max frequency, as there is no point to let the system spits out more FPS than what the display can handle.
Anyway at this point there are so many variables with these chassis, that you will ever know when you actually get the laptop. (I will probably do a review of mine too, hopefully will be here early next week, today is its 3rd day in building status).
Here https://support.one.de/faq/content/123/1472/en/one-k73_7m-clevo-p670hp6_g.html if you click the manual download link, you get more specs of the chassis, which I believe based on the bottom cover panel to be the Model B. But yet it is void of the display Hz and G-Sync support info.
 

Ohmu

Active member
I was planning to cap the frame rates to the display's max frequency, as there is no point to let the system spits out more FPS than what the display can handle.
Amen.
(I will probably do a review of mine too, hopefully will be here early next week, today is its 3rd day in building status).
You'll prolly get yours earlier than me, cause mine is on its 5th day overall in the pre-production phase. Plus its gonna travel to NL, which will take couple more days. So I'm eager to see your review, or at least some info about g-sync etc.
 
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