Magma Pro or this build?

Please help me decide between the Magma Pro and the following build.

I will be using this for 1080p gaming mostly. I have read the bit-tech review of the Magma that states:"Putting full stress on the CPU and GPU together allows us to assess thermals and noise. Idle, the system is acceptable on the noise front, but the fans do ramp up noticeably under load. The GPU cooler isn’t able to prevent the GTX 1080 from throttling slightly, and the fan here goes to over 2,000 RPM. Meanwhile, the front fans all spin up when the Ryzen 7 2700X really gets going. The CPU was still boosting comfortably to between 3.8GHz and 3.9GHz on all cores, and it never exceed 76°C, even on a very warm day when our lab was at 26°C ambient. No part of this system is too loud, but when gaming or rendering something you will notice it."

Also the motherboard on the Magma doesn't come with WIFI so i would have to use a usb adapter for that. The Magma has 256 GB SSD vs 512 of the other build. The appealing thing of the Magma is of course the GPU which would keep me going for many years I suppose.

Case
PCS SR-621GG TEMPERED GLASS CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor i7-8700 (3.2GHz) 12MB Cache
FREE Warhammer: Vermintide 2 & XMorph Defense w/ select Intel CPUs!
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs, WIFI - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1070 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3400MB/R, 2300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Quantity
1

Price £1,674.00 including VAT and delivery

MAGMA PRO:

Case
CORSAIR CRYSTAL SERIES 460X RGB GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.35GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1080 - DVI, HDMI, 3x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
Get The Crew 2 with select NVIDIA GeForce GTX GPUs!
1st Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
250GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3400MB/R, 1500MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i V2 Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Quantity
1

Price £1,426.00 including VAT and delivery

Tough choice, but I'd say two things:

Just because the Magma makes a little noise when working hard, doesn't mean the other build is totally silent - had it been reviewed under the same conditions it might even be louder!

The 500gb 970 is about £80 more than the 250gb - you could swap it out once it arrives: sell on the 250gb and install the 500gb. Even if you don't get full price selling the 250gb you save £250 by picking the Magma over the above build, so still extra money in your pocket)

thanks for your reply, fair points. Also, with a gtx 1080 should i go for a 24 inch 1080p screen or 27 inch 1440p? I'm just concerned that in a couple of years the gtx 1080 will not be able to push 1440p..

inlandempire said:

thanks for your reply, fair points. Also, with a gtx 1080 should i go for a 24 inch 1080p screen or 27 inch 1440p? I'm just concerned that in a couple of years the gtx 1080 will not be able to push 1440p..

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1080 is overpowered for 1080p, just won’t be used, a 1070 is more than adequate for years to come.

I have a gtx1080 and play both 144hz 1440p and 60hz 4K on older titles and it’s admirable.

That being said, if you don’t have to buy now, wait a month or two for the 1100 series which are supposed to be a significant leap.

P.S... if the review build had a founders edition of the graphics card, they’re set with poor fan profiles that aren’t adequate to stop the card throttling, this is normal, you’re supposed to set a custom fan profile.

In the end, they’re 2 very different systems designed for different usage, what are you intending on using it for and what’s your max budget?

I would have said the Magma Pro.

As Polycrac says, it's unlikely the other build would be quieter for the GPU, since PCS would use the same model in either. The Noctua would be quieter than the H100i, especially the H100i with the stock fans. But if you really want a quiet build you should be looking at a Fractal S or R6 case, an RMx PSU, and buying and installing your own GPU, potentially one with an AIO cooler. All of which starts getting pretty expensive.

If buying a 1080, aim for 1440p. It's a powerful card and will be capable of high-ultra at 1440p for a long while to come. Buying a GTX 1080 for a 1080p 60hz screen is wasting its performance. Obviously you'll need to manage settings at 1440p sooner than with 1080p.. but 1440p is about another 80% more pixels, giving you a much sharper and more detailed image, and reducing the need for anti aliasing as much as with 1080p. So even if you've turned some of the settings down a notch at 1440p versus 1080, you're still getting a much more detailed ppcture.

SpyderTracks said:

1080 is overpowered for 1080p, just won’t be used, a 1070 is more than adequate for years to come.

I have a gtx1080 and play both 144hz 1440p and 60hz 4K on older titles and it’s admirable.

That being said, if you don’t have to buy now, wait a month or two for the 1100 series which are supposed to be a significant leap.

P.S... if the review build had a founders edition of the graphics card, they’re set with poor fan profiles that aren’t adequate to stop the card throttling, this is normal, you’re supposed to set a custom fan profile.

In the end, they’re 2 very different systems designed for different usage, what are you intending on using it for and what’s your max budget?

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I just read today that new nvida cards are not coming for a long time, says CEO (link: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nvidia-volta-specs-release-date-rumours-2952823 )
what do you mean that they are designed for different usage? are they not both gaming rigs? i'll be using it for gaming and general usage. max budget would be around 1800 i guess, as i will need to buy the screen as well, and i would like it with gsync.

inlandempire said:

I just read today that new nvida cards are not coming for a long time, says CEO (link: http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nvidia-volta-specs-release-date-rumours-2952823 )
what do you mean that they are designed for different usage? are they not both gaming rigs? i'll be using it for gaming and general usage. max budget would be around 1800 i guess, as i will need to buy the screen as well, and i would like it with gsync.

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I would have put the Ryzen build more as a media workhorse than gaming, personally. Sure, it’ll do for gaming, but it’s better optimised for media creation. I’m just not a fan of AMD for a gaming build.

I’d definitely recommend GSync, both my screens have it (first experience with gsync) and I’ll never go back, it’s just too good.

It may be better for Oussebon to configure you a purpose built one as both builds are sacrificing in certain areas...

That news from the nvidia ceo is a little old now, he came out with some revealing stuff at computex, it’s possible he was just trying to avoid a stall in sales...

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidi...tput-new-price-details-unveiled.308962.0.html

That comment by the Nvidia CEO was presumably 1) to encourage people to keep buying GTX 1080 tis before they go obsolete and 2) to avoid disrupting their planned marketing strategy.

The overwhelming consensus and mass of rumours suggest August-Sept, with multiple sources saying it could be as early as 30th *July...

The i7 8700 would outperform the R7 2700x in gaming by a bit, but the gap is relatively slim - especially at 1440p where you're more GPU bound. The Magma Pro has a large built in discount that makes it overwhelmingly better value. I'd suggest going with the Magma Pro as-is since it's about £1750's worth of hardware for ~£1500 (less ofc if you don't need the OS).

If you tried going for an equivalent, manually configured spec with an Intel i5 you'd end up with a slightly better gaming CPU and worse hardware everywhere else.

Oussebon said:

That comment by the Nvidia CEO was presumably 1) to encourage people to keep buying GTX 1080 tis before they go obsolete and 2) to avoid disrupting their planned marketing strategy.

The overwhelming consensus and mass of rumours suggest August-Sept, with multiple sources saying it could be as early as 30th April.

The i7 8700 would outperform the R7 2700x in gaming by a bit, but the gap is relatively slim - especially at 1440p where you're more GPU bound. The Magma Pro has a large built in discount that makes it overwhelmingly better value. I'd suggest going with the Magma Pro as-is since it's about £1750's worth of hardware for ~£1500 (less ofc if you don't need the OS).

If you tried going for an equivalent, manually configured spec with an Intel i5 you'd end up with a slightly better gaming CPU and worse hardware everywhere else.

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I stand corrected, I’d go with oussebons advice, he really knows his stuff.

Even if the new gpus come out on the 30th of july, i should wait for longer because founder's editions are not great, right?

with multiple sources saying it could be as early as 30th April.

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SpyderTracks said:

I stand corrected, I’d go with oussebons advice, he really knows his stuff.

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Except for the difference between July and April apparently :/

I have tried making a better £1500 spec than the Magma Pro for gaming, but the discount on the Magma pro is sufficiently large that I've just not managed it.
e.g. https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/kRbNbdfBW2/

It would notionally outperform the Magma Pro, certainly at 1080p, but one sacrifices the unlocked CPU, the H100i V2, a lot of features on the mobo, the nicer case and RGB. And if one makes the argument that an i7 is more futureproof than an i7 due to the extra threads, I suppose it follows that such a gap as there is between an i5 8500 and an R7 2700x could close a bit in the future too.

Even if the new gpus come out on the 30th of july, i should wait for longer because founder's editions are not great, right?

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The FEs are fine, though you may want to set a custom fan profile. Given a choice between an FE and a GPU with a half decent AIB cooler (e.g. GTX 1080 ti FE versus EVGA GTX 1080 ti SC) I'd go with the third party cooler every time. But if the choice is GTX 1080 versus GTX 1170, GTX 1170 wins hands down regardless of cooler

inlandempire said:

Even if the new gpus come out on the 30th of july, i should wait for longer because founder's editions are not great, right?

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Founders editions are excellent, but they’re designed as enthusiast cards where you have to optimise them manually (overclock, fan profiles, custom cooling etc). They’re expensive though for the benefit of getting them early. You usually have to wait a couple of months more for the aftermarket cards to hit the market properly.

Right, I'm now more confused than ever.

Oussebon said:

Except for the difference between July and April apparently :/

I have tried making a better £1500 spec than the Magma Pro for gaming, but the discount on the Magma pro is sufficiently large that I've just not managed it.
e.g. https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z370-pc/kRbNbdfBW2/

It would notionally outperform the Magma Pro, certainly at 1080p, but one sacrifices the unlocked CPU, the H100i V2, a lot of features on the mobo, the nicer case and RGB. And if one makes the argument that an i7 is more futureproof than an i7 due to the extra threads, I suppose it follows that such a gap as there is between an i5 8500 and an R7 2700x could close a bit in the future too.

The FEs are fine, though you may want to set a custom fan profile. Given a choice between an FE and a GPU with a half decent AIB cooler (e.g. GTX 1080 ti FE versus EVGA GTX 1080 ti SC) I'd go with the third party cooler every time. But if the choice is GTX 1080 versus GTX 1170, GTX 1170 wins hands down regardless of cooler

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Oussebon, I think you’re getting things mixed up a little unk:

I think he means to say a 1080 over a 1070 any day weather it’s fe or aftermarket.

And I think he means an i7 is more powerful than an i5 but by a small margin when it comes to gaming.

inlandempire said:

Right, I'm now more confused than ever.

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It's very hard to beat the value of the Magma, every similar build will sacrifice something in some area. Founders Editions cards are usually fine, but following cards will have better cooling which you can someowhat offset with a custom profile for your founder card. If you are worried about futureproofing the R7 seems as good a choice as the I7. The earliest you will likely get your hands on a card will be July 30th, but it is not solid and later is much more reasonable.

That's what I picked up from the responses, could be wrong in which case someone will correct me with what they meant but hopefully somewhat helpful to keep you on track as it can be easy to get lost.

SpyderTracks said:

Oussebon, I think you’re getting things mixed up a little unk:

I think he means to say a 1080 over a 1070 any day weather it’s fe or aftermarket.

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Am betting he meant what he said, since he said 1170
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polycrac said:

Am betting he meant what he said, since he said 1170
:whistling:

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Thanks, now I’m losing it :taz:

I think he means to say a 1080 over a 1070 any day weather it’s fe or aftermarket.

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No, I mean to say that I would take an 1170 with a crap cooler over a top end GTX 1080 any day. Assuming the 1170 offers ~1080 ti performance as is rumoured, of course.

The OP was saying they would need to wait longer than the initial GTX 1180 / GTX 1170 release before buying a card as they would want an aftermarket card.

To that, I say that if it's a choice between card with a decent AIB cooler or a founder's edition card, I'd buy the AIB cooler card any day. But that if the OP is saying they will buy a GTX 1080 now as they cannot be bothered to wait until October for after market GTX 1170s, I'd suggest they just get a GTX 1170 FE.

TL;DR: FE cards are fine, if the wait for third party cooled cards feels too long

Sprry that wasn't clearer, it's been a long day and I'm 100% broken.