Live streaming gaming pc

chrmoh

Member
Hi

Looking to put a pc together for my son.His old PCS pc can not live stream.

At the time of buying before he knew what live streaming was I went cheap on the processor so I could spend more on the graphics card.

For his next PC

Budget - £1000 - £1500 (looking to stay as close to £1000 as possible)

Screen resolution - 1270 -1080 hd

Main game fortnight

I was waiting for the new rtx cards but after some research it seems if my son is not using a 4k monitor it may not be necessary?


At the moment not sure to go for

gtx 1060 6gb
gtx 1070 8gb
Vega 56

Not sure if I would see benefit from anything above the 1060 6 GB?

I am also torn between the ryzan 5 2600x

Or a ryzen 7 2600x

The 5 is cheaper but will it be powerful enough to live stream or is it worth going for the 7?

Also is it worth getting a 3rd party cooler or is the AMD one good enough?

Looking at RAM is it worth getting The 3000 does it make a difference?


I would also appreciate some advice on cases. Not worried about the look just the right cooling.

Motherboards no idea what's right I can not get my head around them so would appreciate advice.


My son tells me his stream needs to be at least 720 60fps

Is build below good enough or is some upgrading required.


I have done loads of research and have an idea of what is needed but always run my pcs builds through the forums for the final check.

As mentioned above I would rather stay close to the £1000 mark but only if it will work.

If the build needs an extra £500 then so be it but I don't want to spend money on parts that can't be utilised.

Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275R TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.25GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B450M-A (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1060 - DVI, HDMI, 3 x DP - GeForce GTX VR Ready!
1st Hard Disk
250GB Samsung 860 2.5" EVO SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 9 to 11 working days
Quantity
1

Price £1,015.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations//nsBVSEKwBf/


Thanks in advance
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
£1000 is going to be a vastly different PC to £1500. You might think that's obvious since one is 50% more expensive than the other, bu when you consider that £500 of the PC is stuff that you need/want but that doesn't massively affect gaming performance (Windows, storage, RAM, PSU, case, cooling, etc...) it's like £500 of gaming/ streaming PC equipment versus £1000.

Also streaming is very demanding because you're asking the PC to encode video, while also running a game.

That warning out of the way..

I was waiting for the new rtx cards but after some research it seems if my son is not using a 4k monitor it may not be necessary?
Kind of. They're basically not really necessary anyway at the moment, 4k or not... And some of them cost more than your entire budget.

Screen resolution - 1270 -1080 hd
Are you sure thta's the right resolution? Do you mean 1280 x 1024? Or 1980x1080 (aka 1080p, FHD)?

Either way, a GTX 1060 (or RX 580 on the AMD side) is fine for 1080p gaming, even in demanding AAA titles. If the resolution is less than 1080p, I'd recommend buying a 1080p monitor as this is pretty much the standard for gaming, will be a huge upgrade over anything lower, and 24" 1080p monitors can be got for £80 easily if you shop around (24" being an ideal size for productivity too).


I am also torn between the ryzan 5 2600x


Or a ryzen 7 2600x


The 5 is cheaper but will it be powerful enough to live stream or is it worth going for the 7?
The R5 2600x is fine, especially if you manage quality settings, though performance will depend on the game. The R7 2700x is a lot better for streaming thanks to the extra cores and threads. If streaming is the main point of the PC, and the R7 is affordable, I would strongly recommend it.

Also is it worth getting a 3rd party cooler or is the AMD one good enough?
The stock cooler is fine. And there's nothing stopping you upgrading it in the future should your son decide to take up overclocking / want a quieter PC, etc.

Looking at RAM is it worth getting The 3000 does it make a difference?
Yes to both. And yes to getting 16gb over 8gb. Some games benefit a lot from faster RAM even on Intel CPUs, Ryzen CPUs are said to benefit even more from fast RAM, and adding more RAM on Ryzen CPUs/motherboards can be (even) trickier than with Intel ones. So getting 16gb of fast RAM that will be all you need for the lifetime of the system is a solid investment in my opinion and saves hassle down the line.

I would also appreciate some advice on cases. Not worried about the look just the right cooling.
The case you picked is fine. Most of the ones in that price range are. If you want something with good cooling and also some RGB lighting then Game Max Falcon is a solid budget case.

Motherboards no idea what's right I can not get my head around them so would appreciate advice.
The one you picked is fine. The B450 motherboards offer a solid level of features while being cheaper than the X470s.

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Your build is very good. I've 4 suggestions to make:
1) R7 2700x CPU
2) Go with the RX 580 GPU
3) Get an M.2 NVMe SSD instead of the 860 Evo
4) 550W PSU

The RX 580 offers similar (possibly slightly better overall) performance to the GTX 1060. But it supports freesync which is very useful when considering monitor upgrades / 144hz monitors. And it comes with a raft of free titles. It's £12 more.

The NVMe SSDs are a lot faster. The Intel 760p is only £9 more.

A 550W PSU is ~£5 more and could open up a lot more future GPU upgrade options.
 

chrmoh

Member
Thanks Oussbon.



I have upgraded my build with your recommendations.

Sorry about the confusion about monitor resolution. It is a 1080p monitor the resolution is set to 1920 X 1080.

I know it is not 4k.

A couple of more questions please.

The western digital NVMe looks like it's faster than the Intel one and not much difference in price?

Any reason not to take the WD? Am I reading it correctly?

Regarding the graphics card. After doing some research based on you recommendations the 580 seems like a great card

My only reservation is that my son lives on fortnight and the 1060 seems to have better FPS then the 580.

The 580 is definitely a better all rounder especially with the extra 2gb of vram but do you think the difference in FPS will make any noticeable difference on fortnight when live streaming?


Another point regarding power supply please.

I never tinker with PC's at a push I may add a ram stick but I would never upgrade a GPU for example. I buy a pc for my son hoping for 4-5 years use and then upgrade him( I then get his old one which is great as I don't play AAA or live stream)

With that in mind any point in getting a 550 power supply? Does it still offer benefits to performance?

I think £1000 budget was unrealistic so I feel £1251 is a good balance between performance and price.

Anything other insight is welcome.



Case
GAME MAX FALCON BLACK GAMING CASE (RGB LED)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Eight Core CPU (3.7GHz-4.35GHz/20MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B450M-A (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 580 - HDMI, 3 x DP - DX® 12
FREE AC:Odyssey & 2 more games with select RADEON™ RX VEGA GPUs!
1st Hard Disk
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB WD Black™ M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3400MB/s R | 2500MB/s W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 450W VS SERIES™ VS-450 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 8 to 10 working days
Quantity
1

Price £1,251.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations//wHvaA6AFNy/
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
The western digital NVMe looks like it's faster than the Intel one and not much difference in price?

Any reason not to take the WD? Am I reading it correctly?
You are. Go for the WD Black or Samsung 970 Evo as either are faster than the Intel if you're happy paying whatever difference there is.

Edit: The 970 Evo is a little faster than the WD Black. Prices vary from day to day but I just saw and is currently £10 cheaper than the WD Black. So go with the Evo there. Also it comes with another copy of Assassins Creed Odyssey...

My only reservation is that my son lives on fortnight and the 1060 seems to have better FPS then the 580.


The 580 is definitely a better all rounder especially with the extra 2gb of vram but do you think the difference in FPS will make any noticeable difference on fortnight when live streaming?
If he's gaming at 1080p 60hz, then anything over 60 frames per second doesn't really matter to him because the monitor can only display 60 of those frames per second anyway.

When streaming, you have two sides to consider. Your framerate i.e. the framerate the game is running at, and the viewer-side framerate/experience. If your framerate is fluid 60fps, but viewers only see a fraction of those frames because a lot get dropped, the stream will be a choppy mess and I can't image it will attract viewers. And if you are able to broadcast 60 frames per second but you can only run the game yourself at 15fps, that's no good either.

The GPU will affect performance of the game on your side, but won't be used for streaming. You can use the GPU for streaming, but in my very limited knowledge of these things most people don't, and use the CPU to encode the video instead as the quality is better at the kind of bitrates you're actually gonna stream at.

That's a long-winded way of saying that as long as the GPU is giving 60 frames per second, it doesn't really matter to the viewers whether he has a 580 or a 1060 - and if the monitor is only 60hz it doesn't really matter to the gamer either.

However, if your son is likely to upgrade to a 144hz monitor then the GTX 1060 does seem to give much higher framerates in fortnite and could be the better buy if Fortnite is a very, very strong focus. That's well-researched on your par there.

If he's likely to branch out into other titles, however, then the RX 580 would offer freesync and be a big advantage when pairing with many 144hz monitors in the ~£200 range for general gaming.

but I would never upgrade a GPU for example
Don't rule this out. An RX 580 / 1060 will not be very well suited to gaming in 5 years time. Upgrading a graphics card is one of the easier PC upgrades and actually involves very little more than adding RAM. Pull out the 1 or 2 power cables from the GPU, take out the 2 screws holding it in place at the back of the PC, press the lock on the PCIe bracket down, out pops the graphics card. Click new GPU into place, put the 2 screws in, plug the cable in. And in terms of shopping it's easier than buying RAM as you don't need to worry about compatibility to any real degree as long as it physically fits in the case and the PSU is enough.

It's very likely your son will want an upgrade within 5 years and buying new high end GPU for £400 is a lot cheaper than buying a new PC with a high end GPU for £1200+.
 
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chrmoh

Member
Thanks again Oussbon, great advice.

I will think further about the graphics card and modify the SSD and power supply.

I think the rest of the build is sorted.

Looking to order in the next couple of weeks will let you know what I decide but thanks to your help I now feel I have enough understanding to order the correct PC.
 
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