Optimus IX 17.3" - filckering screen at power on or exiting sleep mode?

I have a small issue with my brand new Optimux IX 17.3" laptop. I'm not sure if it's actually a "problem" as such, or a quirk of the system, but it's a little unsettling. I'll be calling PC Specialist tomorrow to find out, but wanted to ask here first before I do.

The issue is this:

When I power on the machine, the screen gently flickers (most noticeable around the edges of the panel) for about 15 - 20 seconds, then the flickering stops. This is most noticeable if I go into BIOS at boot up (perhaps due to the white background), but it's also noticeable if I bring the PC out of sleep mode into the Windows 10 login screen. Interestingly, as soon as the operating system (and/or Clevo's control software) changes brightness to my preset level at the login screen, the flickering appears to stop immediately (even if I subsequently turn the brightness up to full). But if I've booted straight into the BIOS settings, it takes a little while to settle down. As I say, maybe 15 - 20 seconds. After that, for as long as I use the machine, the display is absolutely stable... and, I must say, beautiful... I've never had a 144Hz refresh screen before, and the panel in the Optimus IX is especially nice compared to what I've been used to on my now 5+ years old HP ENVY 17.

It's clearly not a driver issue, as this gentle, temporary flickering happens if I boot into BIOS. Nor do I believe it's temperature related, as it even happens if I've been using the PC for a few hours, enter sleep mode, then bring it back after a break of only 15 minutes or so - and I don't think that's long enough for components to cool down significantly. In any case, I'm using the machine indoors in an environment between 20 - 22 degrees celsius, which is hardly cold. The fact that the flickering stops immediately the operating system (or, more accurately, Clevo software) adjusts my brightness to the last setting used makes me think there is no hardware problem, but instead perhaps something to do with the interaction between computer, GPUs, screen, operating system and Clevo software. Perhaps not a problem at all, but an oddity of the way everything hangs together via Clevo's software (and I'll be honest, I do think the dependency on that software is ODD in the extreme compared to what I've been used to in the past). But then, why does it happen if I boot into the BIOS, and stop after a short time? Maybe it *is* hardware related, and possibly a fault?

In case it should matter in relation to the above, my Optimus IX has the 17.3" 144Hz 72% NTSC display, built-in Intel HD 630 and discrete GTX 1050 Ti graphics, 16GB 2666MHz RAM, Intel M.2 760p 512GB SSD and Seagate FireCuda 2TB SSHD. I'm running full retail Windows 10 Home, and have installed every basic and optional driver on the supplied Clevo CD. In general, everything is running perfectly, including the Clevo Control Center which shows what I believe are perfectly acceptable values in each area of monitoring.

I have not yet tried connecting the laptop to an external screen to see if the same issue occurs on that, but will do so in the next day or two when possible.

As I said, I'll contact PC Specialist tomorrow about this. If it's normal with this model and/or specific configuration and not likely to get worse in time, I guess I can live with it - though I don't think it's ideal or particularly confidence-inspiring, and it's certainly quite off-putting - especially when bringing the PC back from sleep mode. But if it's demonstrative of a potential problem with the screen panel and/or other hardware, I'd rather get it fixed under warranty now before I start to use the machine in anger.

Overall, I have to say I really like the Optimus IX. This is the first Clevo-based machine I've owned, and if I'd known how proprietary their architecture and essential software was, I'm not sure I'd have bought it. But I did, and minor problems aside, I really like it. Seems like a very good quality machine for the price, and my-oh-my it's fast!!!! :)

Thanks in advance for any help, advice or other input :)
 
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ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Connecting to an external screen is a must first step, I'd suggest you do that before calling PCS. I agree that this does sound to be hardware related since it happens before your OS is running. A call to PCS is your best option, but check with an external screen first. :)
 
Connecting to an external screen is a must first step, I'd suggest you do that before calling PCS. I agree that this does sound to be hardware related since it happens before your OS is running. A call to PCS is your best option, but check with an external screen first. :)

Thanks for the response. I've been jammed with other things today, but I'll check it with an external monitor tomorrow then contact the folks at PC Specialist.
 
UPDATE:

Interestingly, this only seems to happen when I have the power supply connected to the laptop. Without it, there's no flickering at start-up. I need to check this again in the morning once the machine has had a chance to fully cool down... but I'm relatively sure it only happens with the power supply.

More tests to follow... both with / without PSU, and using an external monitor.
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
UPDATE:

Interestingly, this only seems to happen when I have the power supply connected to the laptop. Without it, there's no flickering at start-up. I need to check this again in the morning once the machine has had a chance to fully cool down... but I'm relatively sure it only happens with the power supply.

More tests to follow... both with / without PSU, and using an external monitor.

That's interesting. Let us know how those tests get on, and what PCS say...
 
I've switched the laptop on from cold this morning, without the power supply connected... No flickering.

I'll try the external monitor later this morning, then contact PCS.
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
I've switched the laptop on from cold this morning, without the power supply connected... No flickering.

I'll try the external monitor later this morning, then contact PCS.

Have you checked that the power connector is a proper (tight) fit in the laptop socket?
 
Have you checked that the power connector is a proper (tight) fit in the laptop socket?

Yes, I have. Nothing apparently wrong there.

In fact, if I boot up with the power supply disconnected from the laptop, there's no flickering - but the moment I plug it in, the mild flickering appears and lasts for between 10 and 20 seconds. If I disconnect it again while the flickering is occurring, it stops again.

I spoke with PCS today and an extremely friendly and helpful representative (I won't mention her name here for privacy reasons) arranged for a new power supply unit to be shipped to me as a first step, which I think is the best course of action. I've just received shipping notification that it should be with me tomorrow. Fingers crossed this solves the issue... If not, I guess I'll need to return the machine so they can take a look. Ah well, these things happen :p

Thanks to PCS for being so responsive :)
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Yes, I have. Nothing apparently wrong there.

In fact, if I boot up with the power supply disconnected from the laptop, there's no flickering - but the moment I plug it in, the mild flickering appears and lasts for between 10 and 20 seconds. If I disconnect it again while the flickering is occurring, it stops again.

I spoke with PCS today and an extremely friendly and helpful representative (I won't mention her name here for privacy reasons) arranged for a new power supply unit to be shipped to me as a first step, which I think is the best course of action. I've just received shipping notification that it should be with me tomorrow. Fingers crossed this solves the issue... If not, I guess I'll need to return the machine so they can take a look. Ah well, these things happen :p

Thanks to PCS for being so responsive :)

That's good news. Out of interest, does it flicker with the battery out and the mains power connected?
 
That's good news. Out of interest, does it flicker with the battery out and the mains power connected?

Hmmm... I didn't think to try that :no: I've packed the original power supply now and expecting the new one in a few hours. If the problem's still there, I'll try your suggestion. Presumably, you're thinking the problem might also be battery-related?
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Hmmm... I didn't think to try that :no: I've packed the original power supply now and expecting the new one in a few hours. If the problem's still there, I'll try your suggestion. Presumably, you're thinking the problem might also be battery-related?

Hopefully the new power brick will sort it but if not I'd try with the battery out. The power brick has to charge the battery and run the laptop so a flaky battery might cause issues?

Fingers crossed. :)
 
Hopefully the new power brick will sort it but if not I'd try with the battery out. The power brick has to charge the battery and run the laptop so a flaky battery might cause issues?

Fingers crossed. :)

The new power supply arrived (interestingly, a different model but with the same rating), and unfortunately the flickering persists under the conditions described.

I tried removing the laptop's battery and running from the power supply only, and couldn't detect any flickering. So, it only happens when the battery is fitted and the power supply plugged in.

I called PCS, explained everything, and the helpful chap I spoke to suspects it's something to do with power delivery to, or on, the motherboard. I've packed everything back up and it's being collected tomorrow for inspection and service.

Just one of those things... An inconvenience, but since I haven't yet decommissioned my old laptop, I can get by for a little while longer without the new machine...
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
The new power supply arrived (interestingly, a different model but with the same rating), and unfortunately the flickering persists under the conditions described.

I tried removing the laptop's battery and running from the power supply only, and couldn't detect any flickering. So, it only happens when the battery is fitted and the power supply plugged in.

I called PCS, explained everything, and the helpful chap I spoke to suspects it's something to do with power delivery to, or on, the motherboard. I've packed everything back up and it's being collected tomorrow for inspection and service.

Just one of those things... An inconvenience, but since I haven't yet decommissioned my old laptop, I can get by for a little while longer without the new machine...

That is sad, but stuff happens. I'm sure PCS will fix it.

BTW. Nice troubleshooting. :)
 
That is sad, but stuff happens. I'm sure PCS will fix it.

BTW. Nice troubleshooting. :)

Thanks :)

I'm pretty relaxed about such things. As you say, it'll get fixed... and when it does, I'm sure I'll enjoy using it. Seems like a nice bit of kit for the price, and PCS' customer service has been a pleasant surprise...
 
Well, my authorised return sat with PCS for three days before a technician was assigned to it (and I have a sneaking suspicion that it might only have been assigned due to a follow-up phone call I made... maybe, maybe not). However, the problem was diagnosed as a faulty display panel. It's been replaced and is now in overnight testing... so, I'm hoping I'll get it back early next week.

I must admit, despite the three days where it sat gathering dust, I've been pleased with PCS' service. Hopefully the repaired machine will work perfectly and still look like new :)

Can't wait to finally set the machine up with all my software and data files. This old HP laptop I'm using is reaching the end of its useful life :p
 
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SpyderTracks

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Well, my authorised return sat with PCS for three days before a technician was assigned to it (and I have a sneaking suspicion that it might only have been assigned due to a follow-up phone call I made... maybe, maybe not). However, the problem was diagnosed as a faulty display panel. It's been replaced and is now in overnight testing... so, I'm hoping I'll get it back early next week.

I must admit, despite the three days where it sat gathering dust, I've been pleased with PCS' service. Hopefully the repaired machine will work perfectly and still look like new :)

Can't wait to finally set the machine up with all my software and data files. This old HP laptop I'm using is reaching the end of its useful life :p

Touch wood that fully resolves it, it does make sense given the symptoms.

I hope you get it back very soon, and let us know how you find it on return!
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Well, my authorised return sat with PCS for three days before a technician was assigned to it (and I have a sneaking suspicion that it might only have been assigned due to a follow-up phone call I made... maybe, maybe not). However, the problem was diagnosed as a faulty display panel. It's been replaced and is now in overnight testing... so, I'm hoping I'll get it back early next week.

I must admit, despite the three days where it sat gathering dust, I've been pleased with PCS' service. Hopefully the repaired machine will work perfectly and still look like new :)

Can't wait to finally set the machine up with all my software and data files. This old HP laptop I'm using is reaching the end of its useful life :p

I appreciate that a 3-day wait is depressing but you have no idea how busy PCS were at that time. I'm quite sure they didn't leave is sitting there whilst they sat around drinking coffee... :)
 
I appreciate that a 3-day wait is depressing but you have no idea how busy PCS were at that time. I'm quite sure they didn't leave is sitting there whilst they sat around drinking coffee... :)

Well, other than the RMA acceptance showing in my account, I heard nothing more for three days - until I phoned them. On that call I was informed an engineer would be assigned that day, then received an apologetic e-mail and status update just an hour later. That could have been a coincidence, of course. But I'm not unhappy about the three days - it's just one of those things, and it's not an unreasonable wait by any means. I am glad I called them, though :)
 
Looks like my PC is about ready to be dispatched :)

Fault report and technician's notes as follows:


The system produced screen flickering, the fault was isolated to the screen which has been replaced under warranty.

EC and BIOS Updated.

The keyboard back light was not functioning on the bottom of the space bar and enter key (right side) the keyboard has been replaced under warranty.

Bit + Valley Overnight PASS.

The power adapter has been checked and is the correct 120 Watt.

All tests on the system have been passed with no issues reported.

We're very sorry that your computer had to be returned to us. We hope you have no further problems.



It's nice to get informative service information like this and to have it accessible online from within my account. Bigger brand names could learn a lot from this approach to customer service....
 
My Optimus IX was delivered today...

Sadly, before I even switched it on, I noticed a significant gap between the lower section of the screen bezel and the newly-replaced LCD panel - big enough to fit four sheets of paper into. It's a shame, as the screen and keyboard are now working properly, but that gap will allow dust, dirt and moisture to get into the display assembly over time. It wasn't like this originally, so it's obviously a result of the LCD panel replacement.

I just can't get into a loop of sending the laptop back for repair and waiting for return, so - with some regret, I might add - I've requested a refund, and they're collecting the machine tomorrow.

Again, PC Specialist's customer service has been excellent, and I'm sure I can rely on them to process my refund just as efficiently. I really need to get another machine sorted ASAP... the screen hinge on my HP Laptop is really at the end of its life...

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