17" OPTIMUS IX vs 17" RECOIL II

Im playing on buying on of these two laptops mostly for gaming so Im pretty concerned about cooling and thermal stuff.
I'd be using 1060 6gb,16gb 2400Mhz and i8750 on both.
I've read that the mechanical keyboard that the recoil II has is not the best so I if you could give some more info about that it would be great!.

Im also considering the 17,3" Defiance V RTX with the rtx 2060, I know there isnt much info about them atm but If you could give me some info about the chasis/cooling i'd also appreciate it.

Thank you!

Im leaning towards the optimus IX due to the mech keyboard the recoil II has is it a good choice? And Could you help me find out what chasis does the Defiance V have? Because the 2060 and 1060 difference is not big so Mostly of my concerns are the chasis and cooling, Budget is not a problem

Hi there!

First off let me start by saying that I've just ordered a Recoil II RTX series with a RTX 2070. Once it has arrived, I'll check running temps and I can give an input on those and also on the keyboard. I've heard mixed reviews from the keyboard, just like marmite some love it and some hate it.

Now, looking at your options I would definitely advise waiting on the running temps on the RTX cards in any chassis... PCS have advised me that they have been tested under extreme load for 12 hours but as they're custom built the temps may vary slightly (down to paste etc). I will personally be using a cooling pad with mine regardless of running temps because cooler is better for any PC components!

As a gamer I am very puzzled as to why your budget "is not a problem" however you would opt for a better keyboard (which by the way you can plug in external keyboards) over a 55% increase in performance between the two GPU's... 1060 GTX is the much weaker card according to all available benchmarks. The RTX 2060 is on par with the 1070ti. The GTX 1060 is entry level 10 series which is now 3 year old tech so you can't be sure that it will be future proof especially if you plan on playing any VR titles etc.

If budget is truly not a problem, take a look at the 2080 RTX octane VI series with a 4k display. The chassis is stunning imo and the keyboard looks like it's to die for. Also they come with full PC CPU's, not the mobile versions in all other laptops. A true desktop replacement and one of the best in the market atm, not to mention affordable! (£2,000-£2,700)

If you want future proofing and powerful performance, take a look at the Recoil II RTX. As mentioned, the keyboard isn't for everyone but some love it - you can always use an external keyboard. (Roughly £1,550 for a great set up with a 2060 or £1,800 with a 2070)

If you are on a budget then buy the Optimus IX or Recoil II with a 1060 GTX. The future will be uncertain, but don't get me wrong it is a 1080p capable card and runs modern titles 60+ fps but now the 20xx RTX series has come to laptops it will be nearing its shelf life.

Hope this helps!

Agree wholeheartedly with G0975, excellent advice all round.

2060 is a whole lot more powerful than the 1060, plus it has rtx capabilities.

If budget isn’t an issue though you’re looking at the wrong chassis, should be octane for outright performance with a 2080 or the defiance if you need portability.

G0975 said:

Hi there!

First off let me start by saying that I've just ordered a Recoil II RTX series with a RTX 2070. Once it has arrived, I'll check running temps and I can give an input on those and also on the keyboard. I've heard mixed reviews from the keyboard, just like marmite some love it and some hate it.

Now, looking at your options I would definitely advise waiting on the running temps on the RTX cards in any chassis... PCS have advised me that they have been tested under extreme load for 12 hours but as they're custom built the temps may vary slightly (down to paste etc). I will personally be using a cooling pad with mine regardless of running temps because cooler is better for any PC components!

As a gamer I am very puzzled as to why your budget "is not a problem" however you would opt for a better keyboard (which by the way you can plug in external keyboards) over a 55% increase in performance between the two GPU's... 1060 GTX is the much weaker card according to all available benchmarks. The RTX 2060 is on par with the 1070ti. The GTX 1060 is entry level 10 series which is now 3 year old tech so you can't be sure that it will be future proof especially if you plan on playing any VR titles etc.

If budget is truly not a problem, take a look at the 2080 RTX octane VI series with a 4k display. The chassis is stunning imo and the keyboard looks like it's to die for. Also they come with full PC CPU's, not the mobile versions in all other laptops. A true desktop replacement and one of the best in the market atm, not to mention affordable! (£2,000-£2,700)

If you want future proofing and powerful performance, take a look at the Recoil II RTX. As mentioned, the keyboard isn't for everyone but some love it - you can always use an external keyboard. (Roughly £1,550 for a great set up with a 2060 or £1,800 with a 2070)

If you are on a budget then buy the Optimus IX or Recoil II with a 1060 GTX. The future will be uncertain, but don't get me wrong it is a 1080p capable card and runs modern titles 60+ fps but now the 20xx RTX series has come to laptops it will be nearing its shelf life.

Hope this helps!

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Yea I thought rtx 2060 would run hotter but as I'm seeing it's not that bad. The thing is Ray tracing is quite useless atm I don't get that technology.
budget is not a problem but I don't want to spend too much for me 2060 is at the ideal spot. So I guess 1800€ or less. What chassis would you recommend?

Thank you for your replay and I'm looking forward your opinion after the laptop arrives

SpyderTracks said:

Agree wholeheartedly with G0975, excellent advice all round.

2060 is a whole lot more powerful than the 1060, plus it has rtx capabilities.

If budget isn’t an issue though you’re looking at the wrong chassis, should be octane for outright performance with a 2080 or the defiance if you need portability.

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Do you think Ray tracing is a good tech? Budget is not a problem but I don't want to spend more than 2k € or so. I'm from Spain not sure if we have different prices.
Thank you for your reply!

reto said:

Do you think Ray tracing is a good tech? Budget is not a problem but I don't want to spend more than 2k € or so. I'm from Spain not sure if we have different prices.
Thank you for your reply!

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Personally, I think Ray Tracing is fantastic WHEN it's potential is cemented. It's in it's infancy and not really ready for the consumer market, BUT there have already been major driver optimisations that have improved performance quite significantly and I have no doubt there will be further advances with drivers. Whilst there are very few games that support it at the moment, I still think it's worth buying current tech over old generations if only for the performance improvement with RTX disabled.

There's no doubt in my mind that new technologies will emerge that make use of the new Tensor cores in a way we perhaps haven't realised yet.

I would suggest the same Recoil RTX 17", slightly over budget for a perfect spec, but worth it. If you want to save a little more, you can alter the storage which should bring you within budget.

Chassis & Display
Recoil Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 8750H (2.2GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo)
Get Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 & More w/ select Intel CPUs!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 2070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE 7mm SERIAL ATA III 2.5" HARD DRIVE WITH 128MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3400MB/R, 2300MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 3 in 1 Card Reader (SD / SDHC / SDXC)
AC Adaptor
1 x 230W AC Adaptor
Battery
Recoil II Series 46WH Lithium Ion Battery
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf European Power Cable
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-9260 M.2 (1.73Gbps, 802.11AC) +BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x USB 3.1 PORT (Type C) + 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Keyboard Language
PER-KEY RGB BACKLIT SPANISH QUIET MECHANICAL KEYBOARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Dead Pixel Guarantee
30 Day Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs
Delivery
3 - 4 DAY DELIVERY TO SPAIN
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Quantity
1

Price 2.074,00 € including VAT and Delivery

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Further comment: These are all very new chassis, just released with the 2000 series mobile cards. It would be worth waiting for some reviews on the chassis to be sure about thermals.

But, historically the recoil has been one of the better chassis for cooling and general performance vs price. We've had very few complaints about them on the forums.

SpyderTracks said:

Further comment: These are all very new chassis, just released with the 2000 series mobile cards. It would be worth waiting for some reviews on the chassis to be sure about thermals.

But, historically the recoil has been one of the better chassis for cooling and general performance vs price. We've had very few complaints about them on the forums.

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got it thank you man!

SpyderTracks said:

Further comment: These are all very new chassis, just released with the 2000 series mobile cards. It would be worth waiting for some reviews on the chassis to be sure about thermals.

But, historically the recoil has been one of the better chassis for cooling and general performance vs price. We've had very few complaints about them on the forums.

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One last thing,So Im planning now on getting the 2060 but the 17,3" Defiance V RTX and 17,3" Recoil II RTX chasis are pretty much the same except for the keyboard that I dislike from the recoil. is there any more to consider about those two chasis or they are pretty much the same? or you could just tell me the name of the clevo chasis in order to look for their reviews at notebookcheck because Im cant find them :/

EDIT: Oh I think they havent released the reviews yet
Thank you for all your help man

reto said:

One last thing,So Im planning now on getting the 2060 but the 17,3" Defiance V RTX and 17,3" Recoil II RTX chasis are pretty much the same except for the keyboard that I dislike from the recoil. is there any more to consider about those two chasis or they are pretty much the same? or you could just tell me the name of the clevo chasis in order to look for their reviews at notebookcheck because Im cant find them :/

EDIT: Oh I think they havent released the reviews yet
Thank you for all your help man

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If you are looking at the 17" defiance vs Recoil II the main difference is the thickness. the defiance being the thinner chassis. which is why the recoil get's the option of the 2060/2070 and the defiance only gets the 2060 or the maxq 2070 and 2080. So if you are sticking to the 2060 your choice is thicker (cheaper) or thinner more expensive on paper, not sure if the panels are the same/equivelant though, other than that you are right they do seem similar. Will be interesting to see when the defiance lands if it runs any hotter due to thinness though.

I think everyone is having the same dilemas at the moment and been waiting on the 20XX series, now that they have landed the pricing seems to relate more to thinness than performance with having to upspec the chip if you are going thin to get the same performance.

For example looking at the current benchmarks it looks like if you wanted to go for the 2070 recoil ii 17" you would need the 2080maxQ in the defiance 17 to get the same (slightly better) performance. This is speculation of course as the actual chassis have no benchmarks yet, but based on other chassis. So you are effectively paying a premium of about £315 for the defiance for similar performance but thinner chassis. Which i suppose ultimately depends how much you want portability. But then if portability is really not an issue maybe the octane is the best bet...

Tricky and still early days i guess, hard to wait when your excited about a new laptop lol.

ok got it thank you helped me a lot!

Does the laptop have vr support need it for my bussiness