AMD 5000 series laptops?
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SpyderTracks
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PCS are an AMD partner so they'll get stocks as soon as they're released. Usually that day.
Oh awesome! Is it likely to be announced beforehand, or do they tend to just suddenly have them in stock? Or are these questions non-employees couldn't possibly know?
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They’ll often do pre orders as they have now with the new intel chassis.
Macco26
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Abundant? They are in real shortage in the whole World. TSMC (the fab producing AMD chips) can't keep up for all the: Apple silicon, AMD CPU, GPU, Sony+MS console SOC. AMD is the one suffering the most.
Expect better AMD CPU availability in the second half of the 2021. Until then, the few latops already available with Zen3 (aka Ryzen 5000 CPUs) are sold for higher prices by Asus and almost nobody else, and nowhere to be found easily.
PS: If you plan that for gaming, Zen3 is perfectly comparable with Intel 10th, 8 core vs core. It's only under productivity tasks (aka redering, multiprocessing tasks, compression, etc.) that Zen3 shines and offer up to 15-18% better performance.
More abundant, not actually abundant. And this was admittedly only after some pretty light reading, so thanks for a more realistic update.
Where do you get that Zen3 is comparable to 10th gen intel? My impression was generally that AMD provides much better value for money, and that the Zen3 was superior than 11th gen single and multi core. (The last bit was from the AMD website I think, so happy to be told I'm wrong)
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The latest 5000 series AMD walk all over Intel offerings in most areas but keep up in single core, but in other areas that matter like battery efficiency and heat output they utterly destroy Intel, just another league.
For a mobile processor, there's literally no comparison, you'd have to be mad to go Intel imho.
AMD Ryzen 9 5980HS Cezanne Review: Ryzen 5000 Mobile Tested
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H Review
The Ryzen 7 5800H is a solid tune-up of AMD's H-series mobile CPUs designed for performance laptops. We expect the 5800H to be a popular model and...
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Macco26
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I can't link reviews from other competitors here, but on the SAME CHASSIS, Tongfang, with SAME RTX 3070 Max-P 125W + 15DB (basically the Ionico), same MUX with dGPU piloting straight the screen:
- A chinese variant with Intel 10875H does 121 FPS in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 1080p Highest no raytracing.
- A germany variant with Zen3 5800H does 122 FPS in the same game, same settings.
If interested PM me and I'll provide the links in the 2 youtube reviews at the precise timestamps.
That's 1 FPS difference. I repeat: same motherboard, same GPU, same GPU wattage, same max boost in the same Control Center, same manufacturer.
I'm not saying Intel is better, but if in a hurry (and I am, you probably can wait till may/june?), be sure Intel 10th gen 8 cores will serve you well IN GAMING. I repeat: in gaming.
Productivity: 15-18% less, I know. But difference is Intel is available right now, Zen3 later in the future, or with massive compromises. E.g. Asus out of stock, and no MUX in their line. Zen3 without a MUX is badly received in esport games. Check OWNorDisown latest yesterday's video: got beaten by Intels w/ RTX2070S of past generation, enough said.
- A chinese variant with Intel 10875H does 121 FPS in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 1080p Highest no raytracing.
- A germany variant with Zen3 5800H does 122 FPS in the same game, same settings.
If interested PM me and I'll provide the links in the 2 youtube reviews at the precise timestamps.
That's 1 FPS difference. I repeat: same motherboard, same GPU, same GPU wattage, same max boost in the same Control Center, same manufacturer.
I'm not saying Intel is better, but if in a hurry (and I am, you probably can wait till may/june?), be sure Intel 10th gen 8 cores will serve you well IN GAMING. I repeat: in gaming.
Productivity: 15-18% less, I know. But difference is Intel is available right now, Zen3 later in the future, or with massive compromises. E.g. Asus out of stock, and no MUX in their line. Zen3 without a MUX is badly received in esport games. Check OWNorDisown latest yesterday's video: got beaten by Intels w/ RTX2070S of past generation, enough said.
I think you’re getting AMD zen2 and zen3 mixed up. The 10875H is roughly comparable in gaming to my 4900H (fps games) and the 5000 series is like 20% gains on the 4000 series.
There are also other variables that will come in, you want to play with friends? You have malware scans running etc... AMD will be fine, intel will start dropping performance.
Macco26
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No, no mix up. In gaming it's what I've said. 4800H is so much worse in gaming than Intel it's not even under discussion. It was good at productivity already, beating Intel easily, but not for gaming, until they reworked its cache with Zen3.
Again, if you want links I can send them to you via PM. Sadly if I quote here different rebrands (yet the same chassis sold here in PCS) they gets deleted.
Again: productivity? fat 15% win of Zen3, we all agree. Gaming? 1 FPS (can be up to 4-5 FPS depending by game I concede). This at 1080p. At 1440p CPU is even less important, go figure. Probably 2 FPS at most.
In theory the discussion about streaming/malware might be true, but not actually translates in what found in benchmarks. I still am comparing to a 8 cores / 16 threads Intel CPU here, mind you. Plenty of juice for those tasks. Truth is Zen3 is just connected at dGPU at no more than PCIe 8x instead of Intel's 16x, and that balances out a lot of those things you put into the table, probably.
Again, I'm not having any misinterpretation of Zen2 vs Zen3. Benchmarks say it clear. Same chassis, just 10875H vs 5800H. If comparing other chassis without even a MUX (e.g. Asus whole line up) and Zen3 takes even a worse hit.
Again, if you want links I can send them to you via PM. Sadly if I quote here different rebrands (yet the same chassis sold here in PCS) they gets deleted.
Again: productivity? fat 15% win of Zen3, we all agree. Gaming? 1 FPS (can be up to 4-5 FPS depending by game I concede). This at 1080p. At 1440p CPU is even less important, go figure. Probably 2 FPS at most.
In theory the discussion about streaming/malware might be true, but not actually translates in what found in benchmarks. I still am comparing to a 8 cores / 16 threads Intel CPU here, mind you. Plenty of juice for those tasks. Truth is Zen3 is just connected at dGPU at no more than PCIe 8x instead of Intel's 16x, and that balances out a lot of those things you put into the table, probably.
Again, I'm not having any misinterpretation of Zen2 vs Zen3. Benchmarks say it clear. Same chassis, just 10875H vs 5800H. If comparing other chassis without even a MUX (e.g. Asus whole line up) and Zen3 takes even a worse hit.
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Benchmark links are above
Macco26
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No sorry, I don't believe benchmarks with just 2 screens one aside the other. They can be easily manipulated for sake of getting views. I mean, 90% they don't even own a single of those 2 machines. Might have a desktop for what I know.
I only link serious reviewers (Jarrod is a God) which DO SHOW their laptop first in video/photos, then I can believe their results. You've PM btw
I only link serious reviewers (Jarrod is a God) which DO SHOW their laptop first in video/photos, then I can believe their results. You've PM btw
But you linked me to a video, by a chinese guy with 8K views? Can’t even validate specs, for instance... at 1080p, ram latency plays a significant difference. Jarrod is a god literally called the 5800H ‘next level’.
There are plenty of benchmarks showing the i7-10875 hold its own vs AMD 4000 series and 5000 series boasts significant improvement.
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There are benchmarks above, very in depth benchmarks
The latest 5000 series AMD walk all over Intel offerings in most areas but keep up in single core, but in other areas that matter like battery efficiency and heat output they utterly destroy Intel, just another league.
For a mobile processor, there's literally no comparison, you'd have to be mad to go Intel imho.
AMD Ryzen 9 5980HS Cezanne Review: Ryzen 5000 Mobile Tested
www.anandtech.com
AMD Ryzen 7 5800H Review
The Ryzen 7 5800H is a solid tune-up of AMD's H-series mobile CPUs designed for performance laptops. We expect the 5800H to be a popular model and...
Macco26
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Agree with you that Jarrod is a GOD. But its Intel Tongfang got bricked by wrong BIOS flash
so we shall wait some more time before a true comparison among them is done by him.In the meantime, did you actually check that chinese video? It's the most updated thing we have for 2021 Tongfang Intel at the moment... Coincidentally what PCS only sells from Tongfang...
I also wish we had Jarrod, BOAT, or others benchmarks. Sadly not yet out. If you feel more reliable, I've an Intel + 3070 125W from OWNorDisown. But it's an MSI. Care to be interested to that? I can PM it then.
Yet, I think same manufacturer is way better to be compared with, though. Can't wait for Jarrod.
I’ve provided him proof and he just claims its all fake lmao.
he bought a 10875H laptop and regrets it, so is on page 3649 on google and stumbled across a video, where an intel laptop beat a ryzen laptop, that had much slower ram.
