Desktop Graphics Cards | Page 2 | PCSPECIALIST

Desktop Graphics Cards

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
Well that's not quite true though is it?
Oh but it is.

Are you saying the GTX 1070 was faulty?

Do you have any data to show it's more likely to snuff it than the next model along, or do you just not like it because it doesn't look "premium" like a Batmobile Edition (which it will perform similarly to anyway...)?

If it works as a GTX 1070, then it's a GTX 1070. If you want a GTX 1070 Strix OC or EVGA Hybrid, go and buy one and fit it yourself. Or spend the £80 premium on the GTX 1070 FTW2 model that's offered - which I can't recommend in terms of value.

Overclocking your GPU with PCS will invalidate the warranty (a policy that I disagree with, but it is what it is). And it's not like Pascal cards have all that much OC headroom. And blower cooler ones often end up OCing to similar levels to ones with more elaborate solutions anyway. And only a pretty small number of people will be looking to OC their GPUs.

PCS have used a range of 1070s. If you want a specific model for overclocking or any other reasons, get your own. It's not a problem to do so.

If your point is "I don't like this model, buyer beware that I don't like this model" then that's cool.
 
Last edited:

Jayjello

Member
Oh but it is.

Are you saying the GTX 1070 was faulty?

Do you have any data to show it's more likely to snuff it than the next model along, or do you just not like it because it doesn't look "premium" like a Batmobile Edition (which it will perform similarly to anyway...)?

If it works as a GTX 1070, then it's a GTX 1070. If you want a GTX 1070 Strix OC or EVGA Hybrid, go and buy one and fit it yourself. Or spend the £80 premium on the GTX 1070 FTW2 model that's offered - which I can't recommend in terms of value.

Overclocking your GPU with PCS will invalidate the warranty (a policy that I disagree with, but it is what it is). And it's not like Pascal cards have all that much OC headroom. And blower cooler ones often end up OCing to similar levels to ones with more elaborate solutions anyway. And only a pretty small number of people will be looking to OC their GPUs.

PCS have used a range of 1070s. If you want a specific model for overclocking or any other reasons, get your own. It's not a problem to do so.

If your point is "I don't like this model, buyer beware that I don't like this model" then that's cool.

I don't think i ever said i don't like it because it doesn't 'look premium'. My issue was the very low quality cooler. The enemy of most computer components is heat. Poor quality blower cooler means more heat, which means it is likely to snuff it sooner than a model that runs cooler.

PCS say they make performance custom PCs. If this is the brand they want to project, the range of parts they source should all meet that description, in my opinion. Whether their parts look premium or is not the issue frankly, its the components within them that should be premium.

My point is "I don't like this cheap model, buyer be informed that PCS might use cheap parts, despite their branding".

But enough of this. I sense that you will still look to come back and discredit me raising this for some other reason, (incidentally none of your reasoning or dismissals of his concerns made my friend any keener to buy from PCS again.) but i don't think this information is for you. Rather its for people who may buy from PCS prebuilt, and want some idea of the quality range from which PCS might source their parts. Basically the exact reason why this thread exists, no?

Based on this incidence, its not guaranteed to be a very discerning range. Buyer be informed.
 
Last edited:

keynes

Multiverse Poster
I don't think i ever said i don't like it because it doesn't 'look premium'. My issue was the very low quality cooler. The enemy of most computer components is heat. Poor quality blower cooler means more heat, which means it is likely to snuff it sooner than a model that runs cooler.

PCS say they make performance custom PCs. If this is the brand they want to project, the range of parts they source should all meet that description, in my opinion. Whether their parts look premium or is not the issue frankly, its the components within them that should be premium.

My point is "I don't like this cheap model, buyer be informed that PCS might use cheap parts, despite their branding".

But enough of this. I sense that you will still look to come back and discredit me raising this for some other reason, (incidentally none of your reasoning or dismissals of his concerns made my friend any keener to buy from PCS again.) but i don't think this information is for you. Rather its for people who may buy from PCS prebuilt, and want some idea of the quality range from which PCS might source their parts. Basically the exact reason why this thread exists, no?

Based on this incidence, its not guaranteed to be a very discerning range. Buyer be informed.

Did your friend experience any overheating issues or the gpu performed as expected?
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
Im confused Oussebon, do you work for PCS?
No, nor do I personally know anyone who does, or have shares in them, or any other kind of personal stake in whether they stay afloat or collapse. I bought a desktop from them before and would in future build my own instead, not because I had a problem with the quality of their components, but because I'd want a greater range of choice. If I ever need another laptop though (the one from 2012 still running fine) they'd be my first port of call.


"I don't like this cheap model, buyer be informed that PCS might use cheap parts, despite their branding".

Poor quality blower cooler means more heat, which means it is likely to snuff it sooner than a model that runs cooler.

You've benched it against a Founders edition in controlled conditions and found it was a lot worse? That it throttled the card below the advertised clocks? It heats the card to a degree where the lifespan is actually going to be affected?

I don't think it's at all misleading of PCS to describe a PC as "High Performance" and sell it with a reference clocked GTX 1070 with a blower cooler. Given the difference between an FE and a FTW:
a29b0a0e-fe67-4114-993a-8174cb79df72.jpg



discredit me
I'm not. I even said:
It's very valid of you to point out the range of GPUs that can be used.
As I say, I don't have any stake in PCS, or any loyalty to the brand other than having had a generally good experience with them. Not that I'd ask you to look, but you can find posts on this forum where I've criticised some other members for what I perceived to be overly-eager defence of PCS where there was certainly scope to argue they had got something wrong or could have done more to satisfy a client :)

I just think we're going to disagree over whether a GTX 1070 has to be factory overclocked with a triple-slot cooler before it can be considered a performance GPU though.
 
Last edited:

Jayjello

Member
I just think we're going to disagree over whether a GTX 1070 has to be factory overclocked with a triple-slot cooler before it can be considered a performance GPU though.

You're exaggerating my words here with hyperbole. I'm not saying it should be a factory overclocked card, but i'm expressing surprise that it was a card with worse cooling than a FE, which i would have expected as the minimum really.

You may notice i edited a few things out from my previous message because i think my tone was too confrontational with you, so my apologies for that.

Under load his card was running between 85 and 90, which i believe is just below the temp throttle of the 1070, but is also quite high.

I have nothing more to add really. Its not a very good card compared to many other 1070's, and i don't need to do extensive testing of many different 1070's to know that the zotac RE 1070 runs pretty hot at stock.

You think its fair game being used in a performance pc, i didn't. I'm sure there are other people who would share both sentiments. Anyway, thanks for engaging.
 
Last edited:

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
90 is high for a 1070. I'd have complained to PCS, assuming the usual troubleshooting didn't result in lower temps (and the temp target wasn't altered with MSI afterburner, EVGA Precision-X etc etc).

Since the forum isn't flooded with these reports, I might be more inclined to suspect a bad unit or a problem with the system rather than the the GPU cooler being inherently incapable of cooling the card under load. Granted it might sound like a jet taking off, but it should still work...

That's not to say there are no GPUs out there with inadequate coolers, ofc.
 
Last edited:

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
This forum is mostly focused on advice about PC Specialist systems :) You could try comparing prices on ebay and seeing what they seem to sell for.
 

bndy

New member
If I was to buy a GPU upgrade from PC Specialist, what kind of warranty will I receive on the card? Take into account the actual warranty on my PC has expired
 

SpyderTracks

Bingo Bango Orchestrator
Moderator
If I was to buy a GPU upgrade from PC Specialist, what kind of warranty will I receive on the card? Take into account the actual warranty on my PC has expired

You will get the standard manufacturers warranty which depends by brand.
 

Sitherion

Member
Hi everyone,
does someone know what's the brand and card type that PCS offers for 1080Ti? Still Palit? Thank you.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
Palit or Zotac most usually. The exact model can vary.

As PCS have an open case policy you can always order a system without a GPU and fir your own preferred model if there's one you really like out of the 100+ models to GTX 1080 ti there are out there.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
Seems to be. Perhaps going EOL with the RTX 2070 coming out?

You could buy your own elsewhere and install it yourself. PCS's Vega64 prices seem to have come down a bit too - though if you can find a Vega or any GPU cheaper elsewhere there's nothing stopping you buying a system without a GPU and fitting your own purchased from another store :)

Edit: Having a quick look at a few other stores, some seem to be stocking far fewer SKUs, with even some of those being labelled out of stock. So perhaps Nvidia's well of 1080s is drying up - faster than the 1080 ti surplus has been anyway.
 
Last edited:

Shepard

Enthusiast
The GTX 1080 is indeed out of stock and we won't be able to source it in the foreseeable future. If you have the possibility to get it somewhere else, that would be fine, as you don't necessarily have to get a GPU from us (make sure the Motherboard has onboard graphics though) and can install your own once the system arrives.
 

shagly

Active member
If I specify 11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti, does anyone know which version it will be?
If I Google that card I can choose from lots of different versions - ASUS, EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte…so do PCS choose one that best matches the other parts, particularly the make of Motherboard, or is there a generic version that PC builders use?
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
There isn't a 'best match' in terms of compatibility - any one of the dozens of 2080 tis will work just as well with any mobo, etc. If you mean the best aesthetic match, that's subjective, so...

PCS source a supply of 2080 ti graphics cards. These are usually Palit or Zotac. They won't be the highest end ones (funnily enough, or else they'd be selling you £1300 GPUs for ~£1000 and making a loss..)

If there's a particular model of 2080 ti you really like, or really want to avoid for that matter, for whatever reason, buy the PC without a graphics card and install your own one of preference. :)

Is it for gaming, and if so what monitor are you gaming on out of interest?
 

shagly

Active member
There isn't a 'best match' in terms of compatibility - any one of the dozens of 2080 tis will work just as well with any mobo, etc. If you mean the best aesthetic match, that's subjective, so...

PCS source a supply of 2080 ti graphics cards. These are usually Palit or Zotac. They won't be the highest end ones (funnily enough, or else they'd be selling you £1300 GPUs for ~£1000 and making a loss..)

If there's a particular model of 2080 ti you really like, or really want to avoid for that matter, for whatever reason, buy the PC without a graphics card and install your own one of preference. :)

Is it for gaming, and if so what monitor are you gaming on out of interest?

Home use, mostly video editing/re-coding and 3D CAD. I'm not looking for a light show which is why all the internals will be hidden in a Corsair Carbide Series 275Q case so aesthetics isn't an issue, I'm just going for the maximum GPU processing power and it looks like both versions will do the do.
Thanks for the reply. 🙇‍♂️
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
The 275R case isn't particularly good for airflow. If you want maximum GPU processing power, you will want the GPU to be kept as cool as possible, as this can help keep its frequencies high.

PCS's alternatives in the mid-range are a bit limited right now, but if you have the budget the Meshify S2 is excellent for cooling, and reasonably subdued for noise. It has a window, but you don't need to look through it ;) It will help keep your £1000 GPU cooler.
 

shagly

Active member
I was trying to minimise the footprint (and noise) of the case due to the space I've got and where my "office" is in the house so intended on getting the 275R and adding the 2 extra ML120 120mm fans to help with the cooling.
 
Top