Fund raising for a new computer. Will there be a discount on Windows 8?

Tiger Feet

Silver Level Poster
If I go for this laptop (in the specification below) that has 2x 4GB of RAM. Can I at a later stage upgrade to 2x 8GB of RAM?

What's the difference in screens between the 17.3 Optimus and Voyager?

Cheers




Personally I highly recommend getting the 3610QM and a hybrid drive.
The extra processor speed will make your laptop faster, but by such a marginal amount it will be barely noticeable. The hybrid SSD/HDD drive however, will make boot times MUCH (possibly over 50%) faster, plus all your mainly used programs will also load up much faster. Not to mention, it will save you money that you can spend on more ram.

If you are not going to be gaming, I highly recommend going for a cheaper laptop entirely, as the main reason that the expensive laptops are expensive on this website, is the GPU they use, if you aren't going to be gaming, this is a waste of money really, money you could spend getting an actual SSD (faster than a hybrid drive) and a normal HDD, or even just a hybrid drive, and you save some. You will notice everything loading faster, everything being faster, unless you are gaming, your frame rates will be much lower.

I recommend going for something like this.

£799, uses a hybrid drive.

Voyager: 17.3" Glossy Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x 1080) (£35)

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) 6MB

Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 4GB)

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 630M - 1GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11

Memory - Hard Disk
750GB SEAGATE MOMENTUS XT HYBRID, SATA 6 Gb/s, 32MB CACHE (7200 rpm)

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)

Memory Card Reader
Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® N130 802.11N (150Mbps) + BLUETOOTH

USB Options
2 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD

Battery
Optimus/Voyager Series 6 Cell Lithium-ION Battery (48.84WH)

Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 90W AC Adaptor

Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence
 

lunacute

New member
Fund raising for a new computer. Will there be a discount on Windows 8?

By using a 650GB HDD as I do not rely on any program, but for you, I think it would be a great idea to have a hybrid drive is great ..!
 

Meladath

Member
If I go for this laptop (in the specification below) that has 2x 4GB of RAM. Can I at a later stage upgrade to 2x 8GB of RAM?

What's the difference in screens between the 17.3 Optimus and Voyager?

Cheers

You can later upgrade however you would have the 2 X 4GB sticks left over lying around, so you would have to sell them or just leave them collecting dust :)
If you choose to go with the optimus, the voyager can only support up to 8GB of RAM though if I remember correctly,
If you go for the 1 x 8gb then you can simply buy another 8GB stick and put that in the future, this costs more money in the short term, however it will save you the hassle of dealing with the left over RAM. (you must make sure the RAM is the same speed (I.E 1600MHz) and technology (DDR3).

As far as I am aware, there is no real difference in the screens in the optimus and the voyager, however there may be some small technical differences, while I do not believe there will be, you might want to email PCS before purchasing just to make sure.

Wow! that does make it a lot cheaper. Thanks for your recommendations You mentioned it would be even faster with a SSD drive as opposed to a hybrid. If so, what SSD should I go for?

I have been advised in the past assuming you are not a power user to go for something with at least 8 Gb of RAM, any i7 chip (cache is far more important than chip speed) with 2 hard drives, if it doesn't break the budget. It was recommended I go for a relatively small 160 Gb solid-state hard drive for the operating system and a larger traditional 7200 RPM spinning hard drive for the secondary drive.

Does this sound sensible? What does it all mean, keeping the drives separate like this?

If I did it this way, could somebody list out exactly what I would need to get for this kind of setup and the price please?

I assume with two drives, PC specialist puts them in as specified?

Cheers

I would personally go for an intel 520 or the HyperX 3K (both which PCS sells, and will put in your laptop before they ship it to you) or the Crucial M4 (you will have to buy this from another website and install it yourself, as well as reinstalling your copy of windows onto it).

If you are going for the SSD and a second storage HDD, I recommend getting a 120/160GB SSD for your booting drive (or even a 240 if your budget can handle it). For your second drive a large capacity 5400RPM drive, it doesn't matter about the specs of the storage drive, as you will only store (for example) pictures, music, movies, non crucial programs on there, so the speed of the drive doesn't really matter as it is not that important for you to load a photograph 0.02 seconds faster (for example).

However you would install your OS and all your programs that you wish to load faster on your SSD, and this will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a traditional HDD (in most cases 4x or more)

Personally I think SSD's are amazing, I have one in both my laptop and my desktop, and they are the best upgrade you can get for a PC in my opinion, albeit quick expensive, they are worth it.

PCS will install your OS on the SSD as long as you choose the SSD as your primary drive.

Please note also: The Voyager CANNOT support 2 drives AND a disk drive, if you choose the voyager chassis, you will have to forfeit your disk drive, and use an external disk drive with this laptop.

Sadly the i7's from the 3rd generation of intel processors (ivy bridge) cannot support intel graphics, and as such you must have a dedicated graphics chip in your laptop, meaning you can't just go cheap and buy the voyager with intel GMA and save £60 ;)

I will build some spec's and post then here for you to look at.

Voyager (2 X 4GB Sticks)

Chassis & Display
Voyager: 17.3" Glossy Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x 1080) (£35)

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) 6MB

Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 4GB)

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 630M - 1GB DDR3 Video RAM - DirectX® 11

Memory - Hard Disk
120GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)

2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD SCORPIO BLUE WD10JPVT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 8MB CACHE (5400 rpm)

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
2nd HDD HARD DRIVE OPTICAL BAY CADDY

Memory Card Reader
Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® N130 802.11N (150Mbps) + BLUETOOTH

USB Options
2 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD

Battery
Upgrade to 62.16WH 6 Cell Lithium-ION Battery (£39)

Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 90W AC Adaptor

Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence

£901 inc vat and delivery.

Optimus (1 X 8GB Sticks, has a CD drive as well as the SSD and storage HDD)

Chassis & Display
Optimus Series: 17.3" Glossy Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) 6MB

Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (1 x 8GB)

Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M - 1.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11

Memory - Hard Disk
120GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)

2nd Hard Disk
1TB WD SCORPIO BLUE WD10JPVT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 8MB CACHE (5400 rpm)

DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)

Memory Card Reader
Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card
Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack

Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® N130 802.11N (150Mbps) + BLUETOOTH

USB Options
3 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD

Battery
Optimus/Voyager Series 6 Cell Lithium-ION Battery (48.84WH)

Power Lead & Adaptor
1 x UK Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor

Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit w/SP1 - inc DVD & Licence

£956 inc vat and delivery.

If you do not need 1TB of storage as well as 120gb for all your programs/OS, you could downgrade to a 500GB 5400RPM HDD and save ~£45 on top of that, so the voyager would be £857, and the optimus would be £910
 
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CEUOTC

Enthusiast
Sadly the i7's from the 3rd generation of intel processors (ivy bridge) cannot support intel graphics, and as such you must have a dedicated graphics chip in your laptop, meaning you can't just go cheap and buy the voyager with intel GMA and save £60 ;)

I am note sure if you made a mistake here, however the CPU below does support Intel HD Graphics 4000.

Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) 6MB

However as stated a dedicated GPU is highly desirable.

Regards.

C.
 

Tiger Feet

Silver Level Poster
You can later upgrade however you would have the 2 X 4GB sticks left over lying around, so you would have to sell them or just leave them collecting dust :)
If you choose to go with the optimus, the voyager can only support up to 8GB of RAM though if I remember correctly,
If you go for the 1 x 8gb then you can simply buy another 8GB stick and put that in the future, this costs more money in the short term, however it will save you the hassle of dealing with the left over RAM. (you must make sure the RAM is the same speed (I.E 1600MHz) and technology (DDR3).

As far as I am aware, there is no real difference in the screens in the optimus and the voyager, however there may be some small technical differences, while I do not believe there will be, you might want to email PCS before purchasing just to make sure.

So it seems I would be better off going with the Optimus for the future whereas I can make the RAM 16GB (is that the most it can take?). I may even go with 16GB to start off with.

I would personally go for an intel 520 or the HyperX 3K (both which PCS sells, and will put in your laptop before they ship it to you) or the Crucial M4 (you will have to buy this from another website and install it yourself, as well as reinstalling your copy of windows onto it).

Could you tell me more about the Intel 520 or the HyperX 3K? Are these different to SSD's? What is the difference between them and why would you personally go for one of those?


If you are going for the SSD and a second storage HDD, I recommend getting a 120/160GB SSD for your booting drive (or even a 240 if your budget can handle it). For your second drive a large capacity 5400RPM drive, it doesn't matter about the specs of the storage drive, as you will only store (for example) pictures, music, movies, non crucial programs on there, so the speed of the drive doesn't really matter as it is not that important for you to load a photograph 0.02 seconds faster (for example).

However you would install your OS and all your programs that you wish to load faster on your SSD, and this will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a traditional HDD (in most cases 4x or more)

Personally I think SSD's are amazing, I have one in both my laptop and my desktop, and they are the best upgrade you can get for a PC in my opinion, albeit quick expensive, they are worth it.

PCS will install your OS on the SSD as long as you choose the SSD as your primary drive.

So if I go for a SSD for my booting drive, this will load up my usual programs such as speech recognition quicker than anything? I take it the higher the number, the faster the SSD is? ie; 120GB 240GB etc. Is this the drive that PCS will put the operating system onto?

You mention the second drive need not be fast because it is only the storage. Does stuff gets stored on it automatically? I already have a 1 TB external hard drive. Is this the norm to have an internal one as well in this case?

When you say, PCS will install my operating system on the SSD as long as I choose it as my primary drive, this would be the norm wouldn't it?


Sadly the i7's from the 3rd generation of intel processors (ivy bridge) cannot support intel graphics, and as such you must have a dedicated graphics chip in your laptop, meaning you can't just go cheap and buy the voyager with intel GMA and save £60 ;)

If I go for the Optimus, this will eliminate the problem you pose will it not?

So the i7's are known as "Ivy bridge" processors?

Cheers
 

keynes

Multiverse Poster
Could you tell me more about the Intel 520 or the HyperX 3K? Are these different to SSD's? What is the difference between them and why would you personally go for one of those?
Unless you are running benchmarks it would be difficult to tell the difference in day to day applications. I think that the kingston SSD offers 3 years warranty and the intel 520 5 years. I'd go with the cheapest one.
So if I go for a SSD for my booting drive, this will load up my usual programs such as speech recognition quicker than anything? I take it the higher the number, the faster the SSD is? ie; 120GB 240GB etc. Is this the drive that PCS will put the operating system onto?
You should be able to load applications quicker from an SSD, if you selected the SSD as the main drive then PCS will install the OS there.
You mention the second drive need not be fast because it is only the storage. Does stuff gets stored on it automatically? I already have a 1 TB external hard drive. Is this the norm to have an internal one as well in this case?
In most cases you will have the choice to select where to place new programmes. In my case I use my SSD for work related programmes, the OS and main drivers. I use my secondary drive to install games or other programmes I use less often.
 

Tiger Feet

Silver Level Poster
I have selected what I think is a pretty good buy with the specifications below. Can someone tell me if this is a pretty good specification and your thoughts please on how it would perform?

I have left off an operating system because I already have Windows 7 Ultimate. Would this be acceptable and just mean I have to put the operating system on myself? This should not be a big deal should it?

Cheers


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Product Category Product Description
Chassis & Display Optimus Series: 17.3" Glossy Full HD LED Widescreen (1920x1080)
Processor (CPU) Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Mobile Processor i7-3610QM (2.30GHz) 6MB
Memory (RAM) 16GB SAMSUNG 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 650M - 1.0GB DDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk 240GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
2nd Hard Disk 1TB WD SCORPIO BLUE WD10JPVT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 8MB CACHE (5400 rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 8x SATA DVD±R/RW/Dual Layer (+ 24x CD-RW)
Memory Card Reader Internal 9 in 1 Card Reader (MMC/RSMMC/SD: Mini, XC & HC/MS: Pro & Duo)
Thermal Paste STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card Intel 2 Channel High Definition Audio + MIC/Headphone Jack
Network Facilities GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® N130 802.11N (150Mbps) + BLUETOOTH
USB Options 3 x USB 3.0 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT AS STANDARD
Battery Optimus/Voyager Series 6 Cell Lithium-ION Battery (48.84WH)
Power Lead & Adaptor 1 x UK Power Lead & 120W AC Adaptor
Operating System NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Office Software NO OFFICE SOFTWARE
Anti-Virus NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Keyboard & Mouse INTEGRATED UK KEYBOARD WITH NUMBER PAD
Mouse INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam INTEGRATED 2.0 MEGAPIXEL WEBCAM
Warranty 3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year
Labour)
Insurance 1 Month Free Laptop Insurance inc. Accidental Damage & Theft
Delivery STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time Standard Build - Approximately 6 to 8 working days
Price Ex VAT £880.83
Price £1057.00
Quantity 1
Total Order Price EX VAT £880.83
Total VAT Amount £176.17
Total Order Price £1057.00
 

keynes

Multiverse Poster
I have left off an operating system because I already have Windows 7 Ultimate. Would this be acceptable and just mean I have to put the operating system on myself? This should not be a big deal should it?
You may need to do a clean installation of Windows, the welcome booklet provides step by step instructions on how to do it. Is it a retail or OEM license?
 

Tiger Feet

Silver Level Poster
You may need to do a clean installation of Windows, the welcome booklet provides step by step instructions on how to do it. Is it a retail or OEM license?

I don't mind doing a clean install in fact it would be better. I take it I put the operating system on the SSD?

It is a retail. I still have the DVD and license key.

So the specs that I have laid out in my previous post are pretty good then especially with the processor and SSD? I have been told that speech recognition works a lot better on a SSD.

Cheers
 
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