My First Gaming PC

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
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Ok so from what you're saying it seems that the standard cooler is really worth it.

Looking over specs I have 3 queries:

1) Why have you picked the x570 plus motherboard? And not upgraded/downgraded?
2) Gamers online seem to be thinking that cpu 6 core min is the requirement for gaming for the next few years and nothing less
3) Having firefox as your main browser?

Standard cooler is fine, after that it's go big or go home haha.

X570 is selected as it allows for future upgrades. The B450 will support the next generation but it's not ideal for it and is going to require a bit of a fudge for compatibility. If you are SURE you won't want to upgrade to the next generation CPU then the B450 is more than enough as it's a great board. The X570 is considering next gen or high end CPUs (3900+)

The cores comment isn't really accurate. It's a lack of understanding IMO. 2 cores are fine for almost every single game going, there are exceptions but they still run absolutely fine on lesser cores.... just not as quick. Where you want more cores is when looking at streaming while gaming (Twitch etc). However, by this point I would often recommend the 8 Core 3800X. The great thing about this entire build is that you can switch between every current CPU between the 3300X and the 3950X with nothing more than a cooler added. If you go with the 3300X just now (very cheap) you won't have lost much if you decide in a year or so to upgrade. However, if you plum for the 3800X and a cooler.... and then don't use it, it's wasted money.

Choose whichever browser you prefer. I'm generally Chrome but I've heard good things about the new Edge model. Firefox is always a trusted browser.
 

alexisb96

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Standard cooler is fine, after that it's go big or go home haha.

X570 is selected as it allows for future upgrades. The B450 will support the next generation but it's not ideal for it and is going to require a bit of a fudge for compatibility. If you are SURE you won't want to upgrade to the next generation CPU then the B450 is more than enough as it's a great board. The X570 is considering next gen or high end CPUs (3900+)

The cores comment isn't really accurate. It's a lack of understanding IMO. 2 cores are fine for almost every single game going, there are exceptions but they still run absolutely fine on lesser cores.... just not as quick. Where you want more cores is when looking at streaming while gaming (Twitch etc). However, by this point I would often recommend the 8 Core 3800X. The great thing about this entire build is that you can switch between every current CPU between the 3300X and the 3950X with nothing more than a cooler added. If you go with the 3300X just now (very cheap) you won't have lost much if you decide in a year or so to upgrade. However, if you plum for the 3800X and a cooler.... and then don't use it, it's wasted money.

Choose whichever browser you prefer. I'm generally Chrome but I've heard good things about the new Edge model. Firefox is always a trusted browser.
Before I order, how much of a genuine difference does a £86 ultra quiet power cable have compared to not having it and when comparing to having a top-end cooler instead? Also is there really much of a difference between a £70 and £46 rgb case?

Other than that, this is a really solid build that I will order asap. Thank you so much Scott.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Before I order, how much of a genuine difference does a £86 ultra quiet power cable have compared to not having it and when comparing to having a top-end cooler instead?

Other than that, this is a really solid build that I will order asap. Thank you so much Scott.

I'm not sure what you mean? Are you talking about the PSU? The PSU is different from the cooler.
 

alexisb96

Member
I'm not sure what you mean? Are you talking about the PSU? The PSU is different from the cooler.
So from specs you've picked I'm assuming that it is more important to have a quiet psu rather than cooler? I didn't realise power cables had a noise issue. Also, is there really any difference between a £46 and £70 rgb case?
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
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So from specs you've picked I'm assuming that it is more important to have a quiet psu rather than cooler? I didn't realise power cables had a noise issue. Also, is there really any difference between a £46 and £70 rgb case?

That's not the power cable, that's the PSU (Power Supply Unit). I think you've gotten the lines confused. The heading is above the item.

There's very little price difference between the 650W Txm and the CV. There is a difference in build quality though. It's semi-modular which means less cables and it's a more premium unit. It has a premium fan that runs quieter than the CV. It's not about silence, it's about quality.

There are major differences between all cases. It's not about the aesthetics, it's about the functionality. The 220T is a decent case for airflow that also looks quite nice. It's a non-premium case though so don't expect it to be the best or quietest, it's just the best RGB low end case for the price.
 

alexisb96

Member
That's not the power cable, that's the PSU (Power Supply Unit). I think you've gotten the lines confused. The heading is above the item.

There's very little price difference between the 650W Txm and the CV. There is a difference in build quality though. It's semi-modular which means less cables and it's a more premium unit. It has a premium fan that runs quieter than the CV. It's not about silence, it's about quality.

There are major differences between all cases. It's not about the aesthetics, it's about the functionality. The 220T is a decent case for airflow that also looks quite nice. It's a non-premium case though so don't expect it to be the best or quietest, it's just the best RGB low end case for the price.
Ok noted the psu confusion, thanks for the overview. Last of all, I've ordered with ryzen 3 3300x but it looks like it falls short on reccommended settings for big games like warzone and F1 2019. Is there more worth in upgrading to the ryzen 3600 six core for an extra £48?
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
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Ok noted the psu confusion, thanks for the overview. Last of all, I've ordered with ryzen 3 3300x but it looks like it falls short on reccommended settings for big games like warzone and F1 2019. Is there more worth in upgrading to the ryzen 3600 six core for an extra £48?

Have you got links to these recommendations? The 3300X will perform admirably in all games.

Remember that the 3300X is a new product from AMD so won't have been considered at the time. The 3300X has a higher peak frequency than the 3600 so it will actually perform better in single threaded games, multi-thread it will be very similar up to 8 threads. There aren't many games, turn based I can think of, that will use more than 2 cores/threads.
 

alexisb96

Member
Have you got links to these recommendations? The 3300X will perform admirably in all games.

Remember that the 3300X is a new product from AMD so won't have been considered at the time. The 3300X has a higher peak frequency than the 3600 so it will actually perform better in single threaded games, multi-thread it will be very similar up to 8 threads. There aren't many games, turn based I can think of, that will use more than 2 cores/threads.
Actually for warzone it says it recommends using gtx 1660 and I doubt there is much difference from the gtx 1650 super when it comes to performance? Also is it not the case that more games require multi-threading for better performance? I want to eliminate any risk that my gpu will run at less than 60 fps on any given game.
 

SpyderTracks

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Actually for warzone it says it recommends using gtx 1660 and I doubt there is much difference from the gtx 1650 super when it comes to performance? Also is it not the case that more games require multi-threading for better performance? I want to eliminate any risk that my gpu will run at less than 60 fps on any given game.
Links!
 

SpyderTracks

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Actually what is the best site to see how well I can run on certain hardware? I was having to estimate a bit by inputting ryzen 3 pro 3300u and gtx 1650, so I can provide a link next time 😂
Firstly, it’s the 3300x not u, and it does have HyperThreading with 4 cores 8 threads.

Anywhere like cpubenchmark or userbenchmark or any comparison site like that is garbage results that have zero relevance to actual performance. They’ll be the top hits on google because people don’t understand that they’re nonsense.



The only place to get results is from actual 3rd part reviewers who actually test with test rigs in actual games. These are guys like hardware unboxed, Linus tech tips, gamers nexus, and magazines like pc world, pc pro, anandtech, etc etc
 

alexisb96

Member
Firstly, it’s the 3300x not u, and it does have HyperThreading with 4 cores 8 threads.

Anywhere like cpubenchmark or userbenchmark or any comparison site like that is garbage results that have zero relevance to actual performance. They’ll be the top hits on google because people don’t understand that they’re nonsense.



The only place to get results is from actual 3rd part reviewers who actually test with test rigs in actual games. These are guys like hardware unboxed, Linus tech tips, gamers nexus, and magazines like pc world, pc pro, anandtech, etc etc
Yes I realise its the 3300x but this is the best alternative I can find. Anyway you are right about finding results from 3rd part reviewers. Found a video or two on youtube showing this gtx 1650s and 3300x combo at 60fps+ for all the popular games.
 

alexisb96

Member
Have you got links to these recommendations? The 3300X will perform admirably in all games.

Remember that the 3300X is a new product from AMD so won't have been considered at the time. The 3300X has a higher peak frequency than the 3600 so it will actually perform better in single threaded games, multi-thread it will be very similar up to 8 threads. There aren't many games, turn based I can think of, that will use more than 2 cores/threads.
These specs:

Intel® Core™ i5-9400F
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE 2400MHz
6GB GEFORCE GTX 1660 Ti
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA HDD
512GB INTEL® 660p M.2

Isn't this better for £1067 than my build for £1030??? Graphics card is much better, and if i did upgrade to gtx 1660 ti in a year or so it will set me back £290.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
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1660 Ti isn't a good buy, it's an old card. You would want the 1660 Super.

Do you have a link to the entire build you listed above?

Low performing CPU
Low performance RAM
Old standard GPU
Unwise M2 selection, known reduced writes over lifetime.

My guess is going to be that it's not better. The recommended build has a future, no Intel platform right now has any future (IMO of course)
 

alexisb96

Member
1660 Ti isn't a good buy, it's an old card. You would want the 1660 Super.

Do you have a link to the entire build you listed above?

Low performing CPU
Low performance RAM
Old standard GPU
Unwise M2 selection, known reduced writes over lifetime.

My guess is going to be that it's not better. The recommended build has a future, no Intel platform right now has any future (IMO of course)
Link to the prebuild - https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/view/Vortex-RL/

So is gtx 1650 super > 1660 ti despite 1660 ti being more expensive?
 

alexisb96

Member
No, the 1660 ti is significantly more powerful than the 1650 Super.

You need to consider the entire build though, rather than just one aspect 😊
By this do you mean having a build that has a good balance of aspects. Like why would 1660 ti not suit the vortex build but gtx 1650 super suit my build?

Also my friend is convinced I don't need a 512 GB SSD stating it would only really be useful for faster boot and load times. Reckons I'm paying a big difference for a little difference essentially and even if I wanted a ssd no more than 256gb.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
I can only advise based on what I think and my experience. Bare in mind that your friend recommended an H60 cooler though so my faith in his understanding is a little low.

You don't want to fill your primary drive, ever. 250GB is very much limiting and you won't be able to get a lot on there along with your OS. If you want to cut corners and shave money off then it's a fair shout but you need to be aware of the restriction you are putting on yourself.

The 1650 Super suits your build because your monitor is the limiting factor. You could put any GPU you wish into the build but it won't make any odds as it's limited by the refresh rate of your monitor.

The Vortex build has a low spec CPU (incredibly low spec), slow RAM and all manner of other limitations. Not to mention the fact that it's Intel and on a dead platform with no future potential.

I can only advise on what I think is best for your situation. I don't work for PCS and I have absolutely nothing to gain from helping you or advising you what I think you should buy. If you think you should go down a different path then by all means, feel free. It is completely your right, your money and your option to choose whichever set of components you want. I can only advise what I think is best based on the budget and the other factors such as the monitor etc.
 

alexisb96

Member
I can only advise based on what I think and my experience. Bare in mind that your friend recommended an H60 cooler though so my faith in his understanding is a little low.

You don't want to fill your primary drive, ever. 250GB is very much limiting and you won't be able to get a lot on there along with your OS. If you want to cut corners and shave money off then it's a fair shout but you need to be aware of the restriction you are putting on yourself.

The 1650 Super suits your build because your monitor is the limiting factor. You could put any GPU you wish into the build but it won't make any odds as it's limited by the refresh rate of your monitor.

The Vortex build has a low spec CPU (incredibly low spec), slow RAM and all manner of other limitations. Not to mention the fact that it's Intel and on a dead platform with no future potential.

I can only advise on what I think is best for your situation. I don't work for PCS and I have absolutely nothing to gain from helping you or advising you what I think you should buy. If you think you should go down a different path then by all means, feel free. It is completely your right, your money and your option to choose whichever set of components you want. I can only advise what I think is best based on the budget and the other factors such as the monitor etc.
Thanks Scott for the detailed response and I have a very good idea now about the builds.

However, regarding the monitors how different can quality of monitor vary between 1080p Models, and if I were to get a better 1080p Monitor what specs would that have to support a gtx 1660 super.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Thanks Scott for the detailed response and I have a very good idea now about the builds.

However, regarding the monitors how different can quality of monitor vary between 1080p Models, and if I were to get a better 1080p Monitor what specs would that have to support a gtx 1660 super.

It's down to the refresh rate, as in how many times per second the image changes. This is commonly referred to as FPS (Frames per second). The more frames per second the GPU can output, the smoother the picture will be on the screen. If you have a 60hz monitor.... it can only display 60 frames per second.

The 1650 Super will output over 60 frames per second on most titles at reasonable visual settings. This means that with a 60hz monitor, the GPU fits perfectly.

If you matched the 1660 Super with the same 60hz monitor, the GPU would be attempting to output over 100 frames per second, but 40 of them would be wasted.

If you matched the 2060 Super with the same 60hz monitor, the GPU would attempt to output over 150 frames per second, therefore wasting 90 of them.

It's very important not to waste money on a GPU that outweighs the monitor. You won't get any benefit from it.
 
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