New 17" laptops

Bhuna50

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Just seen 15.6" also available - Elimina Pro includes a 1440p screen too in the 15.6 inch but not the 17.
 

Thegrey

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Does anyone know is these new laptops can be upgraded? Cpu gpu? I'm looking to buy one with full desktop cpu and mxm video card, but I can't find information at all about these new series. Old series was upgradable you could pick from the list cpu and gpu, but these new series comes with one standard Intel cpu.

Thank you
 

Macco26

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No, those laptops are definitely with CPU and GPU and VRAM soldered on the motherboard.
Only things you can upgrade are SSD and DDR4 RAM.
Those are not with MXM modules anymore.
 

Thegrey

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That is a shame, do you know will they do in near future with MXM module laptops or not anymore? I send them an email but been a week no reply yet I know they are busy.
 

Macco26

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Clevo will offer for sure DTR chassis with Intel Rocket Lake S and AMD AM4 sockets along the year. Not now though, more later. Those should come with MXM cards AFAIK, at least the RL-S for sure. If PCS actually sells them, I don't know.
 

FerrariVie

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Clevo will offer for sure DTR chassis with Intel Rocket Lake S and AMD AM4 sockets along the year. Not now though, more later. Those should come with MXM cards AFAIK, at least the RL-S for sure. If PCS actually sells them, I don't know.
2020's AMD DTRs did not have MXM cards, the GPU is indeed soldered. But I'm not sure about Intel's.

Anyway, the major problem about MXMs was the price. Most of the time, upgrading would cost the same as a new laptop altogether and that would already come with better RAM and CPU. So maybe the only advantage was in case your GPU got broken after 1 year or so? But you can still select 2 years of full warranty and get a new motherboard from PCS, in case that happens.
 

Macco26

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2020's AMD DTRs did not have MXM cards, the GPU is indeed soldered. But I'm not sure about Intel's.

Anyway, the major problem about MXMs was the price. Most of the time, upgrading would cost the same as a new laptop altogether and that would already come with better RAM and CPU. So maybe the only advantage was in case your GPU got broken after 1 year or so? But you can still select 2 years of full warranty and get a new motherboard from PCS, in case that happens.
Coming from a Clevo DTR with MXM module which broke 4 times.. I agree with you. Brand new MXM GTX970M was 500 eur only for parts, refurbished 250. It's not cheap by any means.
 

Thegrey

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2020's AMD DTRs did not have MXM cards, the GPU is indeed soldered. But I'm not sure about Intel's.

Anyway, the major problem about MXMs was the price. Most of the time, upgrading would cost the same as a new laptop altogether and that would already come with better RAM and CPU. So maybe the only advantage was in case your GPU got broken after 1 year or so? But you can still select 2 years of full warranty and get a new motherboard from PCS, in case that happens.
Doesn't mxm card perform better then a soldered one?
 

Macco26

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No. Their strength is they can be replaced to higher tiers, in the futre, if possible. GPU die is exactly the same. AFAIK only some DTRs form factor from Clevo continues with this MXM trend, pretty much every other OEM extinguished this.
 

Thegrey

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No. Their strength is they can be replaced to higher tiers, in the futre, if possible. GPU die is exactly the same. AFAIK only some DTRs form factor from Clevo continues with this MXM trend, pretty much every other OEM extinguished this.
Well I might then consider to buy a soldered one, I looked at eurocom for video cards and is true for the price you could buy a new laptop with newest gpu or cpu. I was looking laptop with mxm card not because of replacement but because of performance
 

Thegrey

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Does pc specialist laptops is reliable? I'm looking to invest in laptop which last for me at least 4 5 year?
 

Macco26

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Frankly I don't know if they are, first time picking from them, however keep in mind they offer basically Clevo or Tongfang chassis. You should check in the Internet (reddit, yt) the reliability of those machines, even though the reliability of 2021 machines is unknown yet, of course.
Personally I've pre-ordered from them a couple of weeks ago, hope to get my hands with the product be end of this month more or less.

Anyway I'd sugest you to increase the warranty type. That's the best you can do to have no major issue for at least the first 3 years or so, I guess.
 

Stephen M

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Does pc specialist laptops is reliable? I'm looking to invest in laptop which last for me at least 4 5 year?
Either for myself or friends I have sorted eight PCS laptops and all are still working. The oldest is from 2013, battery died but it still works with mains power, others are working fine.
 

FerrariVie

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Does pc specialist laptops is reliable? I'm looking to invest in laptop which last for me at least 4 5 year?
This is my first laptop from PCS (Clevo manufacturer) and I chose to opt for the 2 years warranty, just in case. Still didn't need to send it back for repairs, all the issues I had were software-based and I was able to solve with the help of ppl here on the forum.

I would not recommend chassis from the TongFang manufacturer, as it seems that most of the hardware or BIOS complaints (harder to solve) here on the forum were from owners of TongFang chassis. If you have doubts whether a specific chassis is tongfang or clevo, just post here and we can help you to find out.
 
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barlew

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Does pc specialist laptops is reliable? I'm looking to invest in laptop which last for me at least 4 5 year?
I have been a customer since 2012 and I have had 4 different chassis both Clevo and Tong Fang. My biggest piece of advice to you would be to take the Silver warranty at a minimum but if you can stretch to the Gold do it. I have had to send every laptop back multiple times for a variety of faults, from broken fans to failed motherboards.

This is extremely rare I have never seen anyone else on this forum with the same track record as me. What I will say is I have never had to pay for a repair and the Gold warranty has saved me a huge amount of money on more than one occasion.
 
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Thegrey

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This is my first laptop from PCS (Clevo manufacturer) and I chose to opt for the 2 years warranty, just in case. Still didn't need to send it back for repairs, all the issues I had were software-based and I was able to solve with the help of ppl here on the forum.

I would not recommend chassis from the TongFang manufacturer, as it seems that most of the hardware or BIOS complaints (harder to solve) here on the forum were from owners of TongFang chassis. If you have doubts whether a specific chassis is tongfang or clevo, just post here and we can help you to find out.
Thanks for your help. I'm looking for 17" laptops only and in my mind is these ones: 17.3" Defiance® VII, 17.3" Defiance, 17.3" Ionico.
 

Thegrey

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I have been a customer since 2012 and I have had 4 different chassis both Clevo and Tong Fang. My biggest piece of advice to you would be to take the Silver warranty at a minimum but if you can stretch to the Gold do it. I have had to send every laptop back multiple times for a variety of faults, from broken fans to failed motherboards.

This is extremely rare I have never seen anyone else on this forum with the same track record as me. What I will say is I have never had to pay for a repair and
I will definitely take silver warranty for sure, if needs maybe gold.
 
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