Nvidia GTX 1180 Founders Edition looks set to rock PCs in July

[fnf]

The TDP for the mobile versions, once they appear, is likely to be much less (and much less powerful).

That wasn't the case for the 10-series. The mobile counterpart was almost as powerful as the desktop version and their TDPs are the same too.

That's why I'm eagerly waiting for the mobile release to see how manufacturer cope with the increased TDP but neither solutions (larger form factor even for single GPU or lower performance) that I could think of are satisfactory.

 

[Oussebon]

It's my understanding that the TDP can vary according to the laptop model. The notebookcheck.net pages gives some examples, with some being 150W. And no, not the max-Q ones. Obviously those have lower tdp.

And as for the other pascal cards outside the 1080, the TDPs seem lower than the desktop counterparts.

 

[fnf]

I haven't measures the power consumption of the 1080 myself so I can only go by what was posted elsewhere e.g., NotebookCheck. Still, it makes sense that a slightly lower power consumption comes with it slightly reduced performance (up to 10% according to NC).

The 1080 runs fairly cool for what it is but it's already on the high end temperature-wise (75C max for most games), I'd like to see what magic laptop makers will pull off for the 30% TDP increase .

Edit: I'd misread. The 2080 Ti's TDP is 250-265W, the 2080's is 215W and the 2070's is 185W according to https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-8-times-pascal-performance-ray-tracing/ . So it seems the 2070 is the new 1080 and is priced accordingly.

 

[mishra]

Excuse me for being a dumbass, but will the raytracing cores actually make any difference to existing games which were designed without that tech in mind? In the launch he kept saying 'it just works' when they switched on ray tracing, but I can only recall them using it on new titles (presumably designed to take advantage of it) and demo vids (likewise).

No it will not. That feature is only going to work with games utilising it. Currently we know of 3 games: Metro Exodus, Battlefield V and Tomb Raider. Obviously there will be more games available soon.

The "Ray Traced" light in the tunnel (couldn't stop myself there) is that it's not Nvidia proprietary tech (like Hair-works). It uses stuff provided by DirectX so it may help with adoption. I think it will be like 1-2 years until we really see games using this new feature.

While the whole RayTracing is amazing and Battlefield V demo really showed it well, it's not the current 20xx series that will shine (yup, I did it again). It will most likely be next refreshed models (21xx ?) that will really benefit from games market being ready for it.

So far we haven't seen any "real" benchmarks. Yes, we know it provide astounding performance boost over 1080Ti in RayTraced games ... but we know nothing about normal games performance, so awaiting with patience.

Also, there is so many rumours about the card I am waiting for (2060). Some say these will not be RTX series and it will lack RayTraced tech so they just brand them as GTX 2060.

My take on it is that the RTX, while quite amazing, is totally overpriced at the moment. They said from $499... well good luck finding any card at this price anywhere on the Internet. I think Nvidia is milking their market dominance. Most gamers simply cannot afford £1k cards! Even the RTX 2070 is super expensive, time will tell about GTX/RTX 2060, but I wouldn't put my hopes for anything below £400 in real UK prices and that;s the real killjoy (I really do hope I am wrong about this, tho).

 

[Oussebon]

Currently we know of 3 games: Metro Exodus, Battlefield V and Tomb Raider. Obviously there will be more games available soon.

List's up:

Broad Game Adoption of Real-Time Ray Tracing
Games that will feature real-time ray tracing include the following, with more to come:


Assetto Corsa Competizione from Kunos Simulazioni/505 Games
Atomic Heart from Mundfish
Battlefield V from EA/DICE
Control from Remedy Entertainment/505 Games
Enlisted from Gaijin Entertainment/Darkflow Software
Justice from NetEase
JX3 from Kingsoft
MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries from Piranha Games
Metro Exodus from 4A Games
ProjectDH from Nexon’s devCAT Studio
Shadow of the Tomb Raider from Square Enix/Eidos-Montréal/Crystal Dynamics/Nixxes

Broad Game Adoption of DLSS
Games that will use DLSS include the following, with more to come:

Ark: Survival Evolved from Studio Wildcard
Atomic Heart from Mundfish
Dauntless from Phoenix Labs
Final Fantasy XV from Square Enix
Fractured Lands from Unbroken Studios
Hitman 2 from IO Interactive/Warner Bros.
Islands of Nyne from Define Human Studios
Justice from NetEase
JX3 from Kingsoft
Mechwarrior 5: Mercenaries from Piranha Games
PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds from PUBG Corp.
Remnant: From the Ashes from Arc Games
Serious Sam 4: Planet Badass from Croteam/Devolver Digital
Shadow of the Tomb Raider from Square Enix/Eidos-Montréal/Crystal Dynamics/Nixxes
The Forge Arena from Freezing Raccoon Studios
We Happy Few from Compulsion Games / Gearbox

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/...racing-and-ai-to-barrage-of-blockbuster-games

Which I gotta be honest, is more than I was expecting at this stage. But it still means nothing as to the long term future.

They said from $499... well good luck finding any card at this price anywhere on the Internet.

Indeed good luck. Because that price is for AIB 2070s and they're not open for preorder yet Only the FE

Even the RTX 2070 is super expensive, time will tell about GTX/RTX 2060, but I wouldn't put my hopes for anything below £400 in real UK prices and that;s the real killjoy (I really do hope I am wrong about this, tho).

I think you might be a little pleasantly surprised there. There are quite a few RTX 2080 AIBs and 2080 ti AIBs are at around MSRP if one accepts the 'usual' 1:1 $:£ conversion rate. Just a little over, ~£715 and £1049 respectively. And perhaps we can assume (..hope) relatively high prices at launch too.

The RTX 2070 FE is listed as £569 on Nvidia, with FE $ price as $599. The RTX 2070 AID models would be $499, so under £500 by the same logic, maybe ~£450/£460 for the budget models. This being the segment of the market that Nvidia still have some kind of competition in too, ofc.

So a 2060, perhaps especially if it lacks RTX, should be below £400.

Unless you buy an Asus 2060 - then all bets are off ofc

 

[mishra]

There are quite few games actually I'm surprised too. I have to be honest I only recognise like 6-7 titles from these lists but it's good that game devs are implementing this. It's totally way forward.

Now to pricing of ?TX 2060.
I would expect by the time it hits the shelves, £400 should get me a decent GTX 1080. Wonder how performance wise these two cards will match. If it becomes RTX then hands down I'll take it, if it's just GTX then old card seem a better choice.... but with no benchmarks it's just all smoke and mirrors

 

[polycrac]

No it will not. That feature is only going to work with games utilising it. Currently we know of 3 games: Metro Exodus, Battlefield V and Tomb Raider. Obviously there will be more games available soon.

The "Ray Traced" light in the tunnel (couldn't stop myself there) is that it's not Nvidia proprietary tech (like Hair-works). It uses stuff provided by DirectX so it may help with adoption. I think it will be like 1-2 years until we really see games using this new feature.

Thanks, that answers my question, but it turns out I didn't ask the whole question - will the RT cores be usable for more traditional graphics processing when not used with ray trace designed games? Or is this just a 'wait for reviews' question?

 

[mishra]

I think the RTX cards come with both RayTracing cores and Tensor cores.
First are used specifically for RayTracing and only that. That extra power will not be added to existing power of the cards (if application does not support it)
The latter are somewhat woolly to me. they say it's used for "machine learning" specifically AI but I am unsure how and when games will be able to use that. Nvidia did provide some explanation about real-time image up-scaling.

All-in-all cards, due to newer gen, will be faster than 10 series, but I do not think that extra tech in them will help in older titles. As these games will not be able to use that extra tech (unless they will get patched somehow - but I doubt that).

I hope someone better knowledgeable than me will be able to provide a better explanation. I could be talking complete nonsense here so please be aware of that.

ps. One thing I am a bit sceptical about in regard to RTX is that if you are a game developer, will you design your games to use RayTraced cores knowing that majority of gamers will not have the GPU to run it on?
Maybe in few years it will become standard but maybe it will not. Normally games take years to develop so it's a bit of a gamble you may have to take. It's all new. I wish Nvidia made price much lower so RTX adoption is higher, but they didn't so far. Time will tell.

 

[Oussebon]

The latter are somewhat woolly to me. they say it's used for "machine learning" specifically AI but I am unsure how and when games will be able to use that. Nvidia did provide some explanation about real-time image up-scaling.

I can't give anyone a detailed explanation of all the things they might do, but the Nvidia post I linked above says:

Powered by Turing’s Tensor Cores, which perform lightning-fast deep neural network processing, GeForce RTX GPUs also support Deep Learning Super-Sampling (DLSS), a technology that applies deep learning and AI to rendering techniques, resulting in crisp, smooth edges on rendered objects in games.

So for now, DLSS at the very least.

 

[Oussebon]

One thing I am a bit sceptical about in regard to RTX is that if you are a game developer, will you design your games to use RayTraced cores knowing that majority of gamers will not have the GPU to run it on?

Nvidia will probably give technical support and/or financial assistance to developers to help implement that, much as previous partnerships between devs and Nvidia/AMD/Intel etc will have worked, I expect.

Just a note in case people hadn't seen, it appears that titles adopting raytracing early will still need to carefully perfect the optimisation...

https://www.techspot.com/community/...intain-60fps-on-a-geforce-rtx-2080-ti.248588/ SotTR being apparently unable to maintain 60fps at 1080p with raytracing on at this stage.

 

[Oussebon]

Performance charts which we might often see in launch presentations were conspicuously absent from this one. But Nvidia have now published some.

Obviously we need to wait for 3rd party reviews, but it's helpful to see what Nvidia is claiming:

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-publishes-geforce-rtx-2080-vs-geforce-gtx-1080-comparison



I haven't done the maths myself but going by the comments section of the article it's ~47% faster without DLSS, making it ~17% faster than a 1080 ti.

 

[Oussebon]

And for those happy using google, another laptop vendor has announced the 1100 series (yes, 1100 series, even post-2000 series unveiling by Nvidia) for mobile.

 

[Scott]

I'm really struggling with the pricing. I would always want to get the absolute best I could within a reasonable margin (never an XP) but I don't know if I can at all justify £1k for a GPU. The biggest struggle for me will be purchasing the 2080 when the Ti is "only" £300 more.

I'm not a heavy gamer and at the moment I wouldn't make full use of a 1080ti, never mind a 2080ti. However, going forward I need to consider whether I take the financial plunge and hope for the benefit in the coming years. £300 now could save much more in the future if I could happily skip a few generations.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Interesting info on the games that were listed as “RTX” enabled... RTX doesn’t stand for ray tracing, can refer to ray tracing or AI or both. Half those titles quoted DO NOT have ray tracing enabled including pubg and we happy few..,

https://youtu.be/z9aTb_X3Baw

 

[Oussebon]

if I could happily skip a few generations.

Since this is the first gen of GPUs with this tech, it would be a massive gamble to invest in a £1k GPU as an attempt at futureproofing. Not one I'd recommend, unless you actually needed the horsepower anyway.

Interesting info on the games that were listed as “RTX” enabled... RTX doesn’t stand for ray tracing, can refer to ray tracing or AI or both. Half those titles quoted DO NOT have ray tracing enabled including pubg and we happy few..,

But Nvidia didn't say any of those games had ray tracing? The list here clearly differentiates between ray tracing games and DLSS games. https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?59242-Nvidia-GTX-1180-Founders-Edition-looks-set-to-rock-PCs-in-July&p=420366&viewfull=1#post420366
Which makes sense if the cards have RT cores and tensor cores with different jobs.

 

[Scott]

Since this is the first gen of GPUs with this tech, it would be a massive gamble to invest in a £1k GPU as an attempt at futureproofing. Not one I'd recommend, unless you actually needed the horsepower anyway.

My main usage is VR. With that in mind, and the options with up-scaling and potential ultra res headsets coming to the market, I believe I could use the horsepower.......I doubt it would warrant the cost though. If there's a night and day conventional performance difference between the Ti & non Ti then it might sway me. I would be looking for similar gains as the current gen though.

 

[Oussebon]

Maybe waiting for the headsets to be out would be the way to play it, if you're likely to get one of those.

 

[Oussebon]

Seems the NDA lifts 14th Sept https://videocardz.com/77696/exclusive-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-editors-day-leaks

 

[Oussebon]

So apparently the embargo lifting on 14th Sept is technical details for Turing

RTX 2080 reviews are out on 17th Sept

RTX 2080 ti reviews are out on 19th Sept.

At least reviews are out before the actual release...

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-reviews-go-live-on-september-17th

Reviews of FE and AIB cards will apparently be out on the same days.

 

[tom_gr7]

It seems that they are going to be priced very high though. Which is a bit of a shame. I'd was looking at getting one to go into a new system. - until i saw the pricing