Nvidia GTX 1180 Founders Edition looks set to rock PCs in July

Oussebon

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GTX 2080s still out there for £715. True 1080 ti pricing has slinked down a bit, but relative to what 1080tis were only a few weeks ago that could still be an okay price/performance ratio depending on what performance actually is.

It's very disappointing that they are priced as high as they are, though, with -80 costing as much as -80 ti. :/
 
Oussebon

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RTX 2080 ti delayed to 27 September apparently:

Although if that means more time for reviewers and tech sites to experiment with the cards before people drop over £1k on them, at least there's a silver lining.

RTX 2080 still on schedule for 20th Sept it seems and most people considering an RTX card on these forums seem to be weighing up 1080 ti vs 2080 (rather than 1080 tri vs 2080 ti) so hopefully that's not bad news for too many people.

And an article from TPU on Turing variants including pre-binned GPUs for FEs and factory OCed AIB cards: https://videocardz.com/newz/techpow...rence-between-turing-a-and-non-a-gpu-variants
 
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So, from skimming through a couple of reviews, it looks like (in the absence of games with ray tracing) the 2080 is basically a more expensive 1080Ti and the 2080Ti is just a monster in both performance and price. Is it fair to say that's the gist of it for the time being or am I oversimplifying things a tad?
 
Scott

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That's exactly what I've taken from it so far. If I can get the Xtreme Ti for a decent price (once the 2080 is out) I'll be going for it over the 2080. If there isn't a lot in it I'll likely, grudgingly, get the 2080.

The 2080 Ti is WAY out of my price range, regardless of its performance.
 
Oussebon

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I've not looked in detail yet but there definitely seemed to be an element of that.

There could also be a bit better performance in some titles come a driver update - e.g. the performance was inexplicably flaky on Hexus's review of TW:WH2. I have seen the benchmark start with randomly low FPS on TW benches before, but not really consistently as seems to have been the case with the RTX 2080
 
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Well, as someone who bought a 1080ti back in November, i'm glad to say my potential interest in a 2080 of any kind has been crushed. I guess this year's bonus will go into the mortgage instead (which is definitely for the best). Roll on the 2090, or whatever, in 2020.
 
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That's exactly what I've taken from it so far. If I can get the Xtreme Ti for a decent price (once the 2080 is out) I'll be going for it over the 2080. If there isn't a lot in it I'll likely, grudgingly, get the 2080.

The 2080 Ti is WAY out of my price range, regardless of its performance.
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I'll be interested to see how many plump for it before prices drop a bit, it's just too much.
 
polycrac

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Even ignoring the TWW2 results, the 1080ti was very very close to the 2080, often better for dx11. I can understand that in time, drivers will improve etc. but right now it is hard to justify a £100 price bump for the 2080. This is the first time I've followed a new gen gpu release though, am I being too pessemistic? Will there be significantly bigger performance gaps as the new cards' bugs are ironed out in new games?
 
Oussebon

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My point about the odd flaky title was more that it might drag down averaged out performance a bit. I'm not sure what kinds of gains we might expect to see across the board through driver updates.

Obviously the real bonus performance to be had will be in titles that support DLSS - depending how many do support it, what the exact gains to performance are, and what fidelity is like. But as Gamers Nexus put it, there aren't any of those out at the moment and you can't give a card a pass for features nobody can use yet (think Vega).

The 2080 performance is disappointing, though mainly because of the price. It's a lovely upgrade over a 1080 but the price difference puts them in totally different leagues sadly.

It's a tricky one. We'll have to see what happens as AIB cards get reviewed, and how DLSS and RT go in games.

As far as the PCS forums go, when someone comes along with a wish for a £2k-£2.5k gaming PC for 4k gaming, recommending the 2080 is going to be pretty easy because it does give often ~10% more performance, at a resolution where you're going to want that, has some more advanced features, and is less than £100 more. But in terms of upgrades for existing systems (PCS or otherwise) it's not clear.
 
Oussebon

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Good spot.

NDA lifts on 16th October, so 2070 reviews out then: https://videocardz.com/78356/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2070-reviews-go-live-on-october-16th

RTX 2080 ti availability has been pushed back a bit further, to 5th/9th October: https://www.techpowerup.com/247962/...very-delayed-again-to-be-sent-october-5th-9th

Also reviews of RTX cards in SLI are out:
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3366-nvlink-benchmark-rtx-2080-ti-pcie-bandwidth-x16-vs-x8

Gamersnexus seemed to feel that while SLI support is still patchy, it is supported in quite a few modern titles.

Techpowerup also have some SLI benches here: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_SLI_RTX_2080_SLI_NVLink/

But perhaps more interesting is TPU's article on PCIe scaling with the 2080 ti:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2080_Ti_PCI-Express_Scaling/7.html

The bit from the article that grabbed me:

What do these numbers spell for you? For starters, installing the RTX 2080 Ti in the topmost x16 slot of your motherboard while sharing half its PCIe bandwidth with another device in the second slot, such as an M.2 PCIe SSD, will come with performance penalties, even if they're small. These penalties didn't exist with older-generation GPUs because those were slower and didn't need as much bandwidth. Again, you're looking at 3%, which may or may not be worth the convenience of being able to run another component; that's your decision.
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By this time next year, we could see the first desktop platforms and GPUs implementing PCI-Express gen 4.0 in the market. If only "Turing" supported PCIe gen 4.0, you would have had the luxury to run it at gen 4.0 x8 without worrying about any performance loss. Exactly this is the promise of PCIe gen 4.0, not more bandwidth per device, but each device working happily with a lower number of lanes, so processor makers aren't required to add more lanes.
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I.e. we need a topup on bandwidth going forward and will at that point still be able to happily SLI GPUs on consumer platforms without the slightest care :)
 
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Oussebon

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this mean that no card even for pc specialist till 9 oct?
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This is down to Nvidia and will be affecting all PC building companies and shops selling graphics cards unfortunately.

I believe this is for founders edition cards. I am not sure when 3rd party graphics cards like the Asus dual will be available. It might be sooner - some people in America got their EVGA cards shipped on 27th September, so I read on other forums.

I'd suggest asking PC Specialist directly if you need more info on dates for your specific graphics card.
 
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