Recoil 17 VIII Review (i9-14900HX / RTX 4070)

YaYaA

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The spec in question:

Chassis & Display
Recoil Series: 17" Matte QHD 240Hz sRGB 100% LED Widescreen (2560x1600)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24 Core Processor 14900HX (5.8GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
32GB PCS PRO SODIMM DDR5 4800MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® RTX 4070 - 8.0GB GDDR6 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated SD Memory Card Reader
AC Adaptor
1 x 280W AC Adaptor
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Battery
Recoil Series Integrated 99WH Lithium Ion Battery
Thermal Paste
LIQUID METAL PERFORMANCE COOLING
Sound Card
Nahimic by SteelSeries 2 Channel HD Audio
Wireless Network Card
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6E AX211 (2.4 Gbps) + BT 5.3
USB/Thunderbolt Options
1 x THUNDERBOLT 4 PORT + 3 x USB 3.2 PORTS
Keyboard Language
RECOIL 17 SERIES RGB BACKLIT UK KEYBOARD
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Keyboard & Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED IR+FHD Hybrid Webcam Windows Hello 4.0
Warranty
3 Year Gold Warranty (2 Year Collect & Return, 2 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Dead Pixel Guarantee
1 Year Dead Pixel Guarantee Inc. Labour & Carriage Costs
Chassis
TongFang GM7IX7N (8GB RTX-4070, i9-14900HX, 240Hz QHD)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Price: £1,723.00 including VAT and Delivery

Upgrading from an MSI GE63 7RE (i7-7700HQ / GTX1060), so that is what I'll be comparing this to.

My first purchase from PCSpecialist. Purchased mostly for the playing of games. TL:DR I am 85-90% certain this was a good purchase for reasonable money.

Took delivery of this at the beginning of March. Packaging was fine, although the outer box was quite large; large enough for the box containing the laptop to move around in. Inspecting the laptop revealed no damage.

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EXTERIOR

The Recoil appears to be well made. The lid and screen housing is made of metal (aluminium?). I believe the underside of the main body is also metal, while the upperside is plastic.

The centre-placed hinge is reassuringly sturdy, a certain improvement over MSI's old (and frankly malicious) hinge design.

After almost a month of owning it, the screen lid is alas undoubtedly a fingerprint magnet, but this should be easy to clean off.

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The laptop is pleasingly un-gamerish in it's appearance. It's all black, with no obnoxious logos or RGB, and would pass as a business laptop easily. There is an RGB light bar around the rear vents but this can be switched off.

Important ports are at the back - power, HDMI, ethernet, and Thunderbolt 4 - a very sensible place for these things. My old MSI had it's power socket on the right hand side, at the back, near where right-handed people would put their mouse.

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The keyboard is membrane based. Fine to type on, but will inevitably fail as the keycap hinges wear out (unless they are substantially beefier than my old MSI). Hopefully spares and repairs will be forthcoming from PCS should it be needed.
Apparently there is a Recoil VIII model with Cherry MX switches out there somewhere (googling this laptop led to some headaches and misplaced hopes about what I was getting - see later).

The keyboard has "4-zone RGB", which is a downgrade from the per-key RGB my old MSI had (normally I don't care for RGB, but the MSI could highlight keys based on which game you were playing, useful for remembering which key does what).
Apparently there is a Recoil VIII model with per-key RGB out there somewhere (over-googling is always a mistake).

The keyboard RGB is controlled by the included "Control Centre" (which I think comes from Tongfang), which appears to be slightly forgetful at times of what lighting setting you've picked - I often see a previous setting come up when I'm playing a game, or waking up the laptop.
Rather annoyingly (to me), a pure white colour option for the keyboard isn't possible, if you want something neutral. The best you can do is a bright blue colour.

The mousepad is gigantic. Positively a football field. I have no real complaints, might even be suitable as a back up input for digital artists (which I'm not). There are two touch toggles in the corners to turn off either the whole mousepad, or just half of it.
If I do have one criticism, it's that the left-click and right-click positions seem to be off-kilter and not consistent. It's difficult to tell where you should be putting your fingers to do either. This might be simply down to a lack of practice. But as I use a mouse at every opportunity, this point is moot.

The screen is 17 inches corner to corner, but it's not a standard 16:9 ratio - it's "taller" than what I'm used to - 2560 x 1600 pixels. The default colour set up feels "warmer" than my old MSI.
 

YaYaA

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PERFORMANCE
My gut feeling is that this laptop is the 2024 equivalent to my 2017/18 era MSI GE63, with the mobile RTX4070 being this era's corresponding GPU to the mobile GTX1060 in terms of performance (but not value)(Apologies if my opinion makes you froth at the mouth, I really have no idea what I'm talking about). I have upgraded after 6 years, so hopefully I'll get at least 6 years from this laptop.

It seems to run games (Nuclear Option, RE4R, GHPC) just fine, at (mostly) high settings above 60FPS, and not unduly loud from the fans either.
But it does seem unlikely that any recent game will be simple enough to reach the 240hz max refresh rate of the screen. I'm considering setting the resolution in Windows down back to 1080p to keep some performance in reserve.
I'm also noticing quite bad "tearing" when panning my view around objects (in FPS games), or slight stuttering when driving past trees/telephone poles in GHPC. Whether that is down to these games being unoptimised, or my computer being unoptimised, or my mouse not having a high enough DPI, I can't be certain. But I'm noticing it all the time now, and these little, almost imperceptible stutters remind me that the gameplay/screen isn't as smooth as I thought I was paying for. I don't know if V-sync is actually doing anything.

Hopefully as this computer settles with updates (and I learn to set it up better), things will improve. Obviously despite all my negativity, this IS a fine laptop, and a significant upgrade over what I had before. I suspect I'm suffering post-purchase dissonance; I'm certainly not used to playing games at way above 60FPS and above 1080p, or with such graphical fidelity. I was fine with medium and low settings for a very long time. (GHPC on "potato" quality on my old MSI, just to get usable FPS).

Fans spool down very quickly upon quitting games, which is nice. Nothing shocking about the temps that I've seen so far.

OTHER THOUGHTS

This laptop does NOT have a G-Sync, something I was quite disappointed by. This stems from googling the model number of this Tongfang laptop (GM7IX7N), with some info popping up suggesting that G-Sync is present, but nothing popping up conclusively confirming that it isn't. Obviously this got my hopes up.
Another review for this model (with a RTX4090) confirmed a G-sync panel.
PCSpecialist tried to help me with this query, and while we did get there in the end there was a bit of confusion over what I was actually being sold.

PCSpecialist advised that this laptop CANNOT be charged via the Thunderbolt port, but the Control Center suggests this is possible? (If anyone can help clear this up I'd appreciate it):

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This is another of those little niggles that rob me of my confidence that this was 100% a good buy.

I think the L-shaped power connector is a potential weakpoint in the future. I can't be certain which is better for a rear facing power socket - L-shaped or straight, but unless the L-shaped connector has space to hang straight down, it'll inevitably come to rest right in front of one of the rear vents, which can't be good for longevity. Regardless, based on my previous experience I will be looking to beef up the stress points of the power adapter ASAP - they appear to be, unfortunately, very expensive to replace.

FINAL VERDICT
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8.7/10 - This is a gut feeling score, which is probably the antithesis to normal computer reviews with all their 3DMarks and graphs and precisely quantifiable data and what have you. I think this is a good laptop for the money, and whilst the performance is a significant step up for anyone coming from a 2018-era mid-range laptop, there is real worth in purchasing from a UK-manufacturer (meaning UK-based support, spares and repairs) and the Gold-level warranty, which gives me peace of mind should anything go wrong, which I've been told if it's gonna happen, it'll typically be in the first year.
Please feel free to ask any questions or badger me for some game performance screenshots.
 

YaYaA

Member
Update - have improved smoothness of gameplay and seemed to have removed the stuttering by setting Win11 "Power Mode" to "Best Performance":

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And in the OEM "Control Center", Display Function menu, setting Manual Refresh Rate to 60FPS. I reckon this might not be necessary and will test further, but quite a bit happier with how my games look now!

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SpyderTracks

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Update - have improved smoothness of gameplay and seemed to have removed the stuttering by setting Win11 "Power Mode" to "Best Performance":

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And in the OEM "Control Center", Display Function menu, setting Manual Refresh Rate to 60FPS. I reckon this might not be necessary and will test further, but quite a bit happier with how my games look now!

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It's a 240Hz screen, kind of pointless setting it to 60Hz, missing out on the whole point of that chassis.
 

YaYaA

Member
It's a 240Hz screen, kind of pointless setting it to 60Hz, missing out on the whole point of that chassis.
I don't think so. This chassis and current spec are unable to make use of the full 240hz of the screen in most scenarios, and further testing shows that locking to 60hz results in buttery-smooth motion with no tearing or stutters. The 240hz screen is kind of pointless, and I wasn't given any options regarding the screen, nor I did I buy it specifically for having a 240hz screen.
 

SpyderTracks

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I don't think so. This chassis and current spec are unable to make use of the full 240hz of the screen in most scenarios, and further testing shows that locking to 60hz results in buttery-smooth motion with no tearing or stutters. The 240hz screen is kind of pointless, and I wasn't given any options regarding the screen, nor I did I buy it specifically for having a 240hz screen.
My apologies, I thought you’d bought it for gaming.
 

YaYaA

Member
My apologies, I thought you’d bought it for gaming.
No, you are correct. I did buy it solely for gaming, but my perceived quality of how gameplay is rendered on screen really is much improved by locking the screen to 60hz. More frames would be nice to have, and while the screen CAN handle it, I don't think my GPU/CPU combo can without visible stuttering. I don't know what other options I can tweak (at least on the OS level) to fix any stuttering at higher frame rates, but I find a solid 60fps such an upgrade over what I was previously used to, to the point I'm lacking the motivation to look into this more. Maybe I should.
 

SpyderTracks

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No, you are correct. I did buy it solely for gaming, but my perceived quality of how gameplay is rendered on screen really is much improved by locking the screen to 60hz. More frames would be nice to have, and while the screen CAN handle it, I don't think my GPU/CPU combo can without visible stuttering. I don't know what other options I can tweak (at least on the OS level) to fix any stuttering at higher frame rates, but I find a solid 60fps such an upgrade over what I was previously used to, to the point I'm lacking the motivation to look into this more. Maybe I should.
60fps is not “gaming pc” by any means. It’s more console from 8 years ago. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a gaming pc
 

YaYaA

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60fps is not “gaming pc” by any means. It’s more console from 8 years ago. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a gaming pc
That speaks rather poorly of this laptop then doesn't it? I'm revising my review if it's can only avoid stuttering by being the equivalent of a console from nearly decade ago. What a waste of money. :(
 

TonyCarter

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Whilst I’m comparing apples to oranges (i.e. a desktop PC to a laptop), I find mine smoother with v-sync / g-sync off than on.

I’d try disabling it in the Nvidia control panel, and gradually increase the monitor refresh rate to see where the FPS dips become noticeable.

Then try it at it’s native resolution to see what difference that offers, but with the knowledge that 2560x1600 has almost 2x the pixels to drive…and the 4070 laptop GPU is about 30% slower than the desktop version, due to being crippled to fit into laptop power limits.
 

YaYaA

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Whilst I’m comparing apples to oranges (i.e. a desktop PC to a laptop), I find mine smoother with v-sync / g-sync off than on.

I’d try disabling it in the Nvidia control panel, and gradually increase the monitor refresh rate to see where the FPS dips become noticeable.

Then try it at it’s native resolution to see what difference that offers, but with the knowledge that 2560x1600 has almost 2x the pixels to drive…and the 4070 laptop GPU is about 30% slower than the desktop version, due to being crippled to fit into laptop power limits.
Alright, I'll give that a go and report back.
 

SpyderTracks

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That speaks rather poorly of this laptop then doesn't it? I'm revising my review if it's can only avoid stuttering by being the equivalent of a console from nearly decade ago. What a waste of money. :(
It shouldn’t be stuttering, that’s rather the point. There’s something wrong in your setup if it is. You should be averaging a good 120 fps without any tearing or stuttering if you have it setup properly

But limiting performance to prevent an issue from showing just makes no sense whatsoever, you troubleshoot and correct the issue, not just handicap the system, otherwise why bother spending so much on a premium chassis when you could have had exactly the same performance on a chassis half the price. Just makes no sense at all.
 
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YaYaA

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It shouldn’t be stuttering, that’s rather the point. There’s something wrong in your setup if it is. You should be averaging a good 120 fps without any tearing or stuttering if you have it setup properly

But limiting performance to prevent an issue from showing just makes no sense whatsoever, you troubleshoot and correct the issue, not just handicap the system, otherwise why bother spending so much on a premium chassis when you could have had exactly the same performance on a chassis half the price. Just makes no sense at all.
My setup is whatever PCSpecialist shipped this with, with some OS and Geforce driver updates since. Can you advise how I can fix this? Cos your responses are kinda making me think I made a mistake buying this thing. Especially as it now seems (to my very limited knowledge) this really ought to have come with a VRR panel.

I'm still testing, mostly via fiddling with the Nvidia control panel, but it doesn't seem to be making much difference with V-sync on or off. None of my current stable of games are getting anywhere near the 240hz refresh rate of the screen, even on very low settings. But they do tend between 60-90fps even on high/ultra settings.
 

SpyderTracks

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My setup is whatever PCSpecialist shipped this with, with some OS and Geforce driver updates since. Can you advise how I can fix this? Cos your responses are kinda making me think I made a mistake buying this thing. Especially as it now seems (to my very limited knowledge) this really ought to have come with a VRR panel.

I'm still testing, mostly via fiddling with the Nvidia control panel, but it doesn't seem to be making much difference with V-sync on or off. None of my current stable of games are getting anywhere near the 240hz refresh rate of the screen, even on very low settings. But they do tend between 60-90fps even on high/ultra settings.
It's a custom laptop, PCS just build it and configure drivers. It's down to you to configure it for the purpose you intend to use it for.

A custom laptop is nothing like a branded laptop, you'll need to substantially raise your skill level to be able to get the most out of it.

But you've only got a 4070, that's obviously not going to get you anywhere near 240fps at 1440p at respectable settings, you'd need a 4090 for that. The 4070 is an entry level 1440p card.

If you need advise on how to optimise windows for your uses, you'd need to create a thread in the technical help section

Just annoys me when people blame the hardware and PCS just because they have no idea what they're doing!
 
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