Saved Myself From a Costly Mistake!

kam67

Enthusiast
In a moment of madness, I cancelled my Ryzen gaming desktop build and ordered an intel 9900K build. It took me a day of online research to realise what a nightmare that would be (scary temperatures in particular gave me the shivers). So I cancelled again and went with my original choice. Let's hope I haven't irritated PCS with my constant toing and froing :( but given the considerable investment this involves, hopefully they will be understanding.
 

kam67

Enthusiast
Here is what I hope will be the definitive build (save a minor tweak here and there :sneaky:):


CaseFRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Eight Core CPU (3.9GHz-4.5GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
MotherboardASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive500GB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 120 2.5" SSD, (up to 560MB/sR | 540MB/sW)
2nd Storage Drive2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY DriveNOT REQUIRED
Power SupplyCORSAIR 1200W HX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® PLATINUM, ULTRA QUIET
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Change to: CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor CoolingCorsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal PasteSTANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound CardONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired NetworkingWIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt OptionsMIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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Change to: 2 PORT (2 x TYPE A) USB 3.1 PCI-E CARD + STANDARD USB PORT
 

stegor

Bright Spark
Your storage looks wrong. PCS will install the OS on the M.2 so you would usually choose a smaller M.2 than the 1st storage drive, as they cost more but are faster. Also you don't need a 1000W power supply. I would go 750W max (if you want modular).
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
If it's just for gaming you could save on the RAM, 16GB is more than enough for the foreseeable future. A 500GB Primary evo drive with a 1TB Firecuda drive would make more sense, as suggested.

The 1000RMx PSU is massive overkill. The 750w one would have you covered no bother. And of course the Wifi.

Additionally, do you need the USB PCIe card? The STRIX has tonnes of USB ports.
 

kam67

Enthusiast
If it's just for gaming you could save on the RAM, 16GB is more than enough for the foreseeable future. A 500GB Primary evo drive with a 1TB Firecuda drive would make more sense, as suggested.

The 1000RMx PSU is massive overkill. The 750w one would have you covered no bother. And of course the Wifi.

Additionally, do you need the USB PCIe card? The STRIX has tonnes of USB ports.

My question is do I need wifi on my desktop?
 

kam67

Enthusiast
Here is my updated order (decided to stick with 32GB of ram and upgraded my first storage drive to 1 TB). I know it’s still overkill - but decided to go all out as want to avoid upgrades for at least 3 years.
CaseFRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Eight Core CPU (3.9GHz-4.5GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
MotherboardASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2070 SUPER - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive500GB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 120 2.5" SSD, (up to 560MB/sR | 540MB/sW)
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Change to: 1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 120 2.5" SSD, (up to 560MB/sR | 540MB/sW)
2nd Storage Drive2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive1TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY DriveNOT REQUIRED
Power SupplyCORSAIR 1200W HX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® PLATINUM, ULTRA QUIET
down_right_arrow.gif
Change to: CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor CoolingCorsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal PasteSTANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound CardONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired NetworkingWIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
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Change to: 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt OptionsMIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
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Change to: 2 PORT (2 x TYPE A) USB 3.1 PCI-E CARD + STANDARD USB PORTS
Operating SystemWindows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System LanguageUnited Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery MediaWindows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Supplied on USB Drive
Office SoftwareFREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-VirusNO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
BrowserMicrosoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
DeliverySTANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build TimeStandard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days
Welcome BookPCSpecialist Welcome Book - United Kingdom & Republic of Ireland
Pricing Information
Price (Ex VAT)£1,896.67
Price£2,276.00
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
The components that are overspecced aren't going to magically make it more futureproof, they're just not going to be used, it's literally throwing money down the drain.

We can advise on a spec for £1500 that would actually perform better for your uses, just to give you some idea of how much you're wasting. You wouldn't have to upgrade that either apart from the GPU which will be the first bottleneck in any system.
 

kam67

Enthusiast
Thanks again for coming to the rescue, Spydertracks! Yes, would be very interested in
the proposed respec. you had in mind. One thing I need to add which might explain my seemingly spendthrift and extravagant approach is that (I’m ashamed to admit) I’m the kind of amateur hobbyist who would be hard pressed to install a SSD drive or replacing a fan or psu units etc!

Also, with all the changes I’ve been making, I’m worried I might end up winding up and inconveniencing PCS - who, to fair, have been extremely patient and understanding up to now!
 
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Grimezy

Prolific Poster
Thanks again for coming to the rescue, Spydertracks! Yes, would be very interested in
the proposed respec. you had in mind. One thing I need to add which might explain my seemingly spendthrift and extravagant approach is that (I’m ashamed to admit) I’m the kind of amateur hobbyist who would be hard pressed to install a SSD drive or replacing a fan or psu units etc!

Also, with all the changes I’ve been making, I’m worried I might end up winding up and inconveniencing PCS - who, to fair, have been extremely patient and understanding up to now!

Lets just say I’m still using an 8 year old PCS build and I’m only just thinking about upgrading... I think the suggested ideas will be fine for the next 3 years! And probably further!
 

kam67

Enthusiast
Same here - my present Desktop from PCS has been going fairly strong since 2012 (apart from a gpu upgrade).
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
It would be much easier if you would use the "Post to forum" button once you are viewing your spec and then copy and paste all the information. This allows us to use the hyperlink at the bottom to go in and tweak some changes with your specific proposal.

There is a LOT of wasted money all over that build... if it's for gaming of course.
 

kam67

Enthusiast
This is getting stupid... Watched/read a whole lot of reviews rating Intel over Ryzen for gaming. Now feeling anxious about whether I was right to cancel my Intel build and revert back to the Ryzen. :(
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
This is getting stupid... Watched/read a whole lot of reviews rating Intel over Ryzen for gaming. Now feeling anxious about whether I was right to cancel my Intel build and revert back to the Ryzen. :(
Again, Intel is only valid at 1080p over 240Hz, basically competitive gaming, anything outside of that any processor pretty much will have a very similar effect within a few fps:


The "best gaming CPU" crown is purely referring to competitive gameplay where they reduce settings to lowest quality and reduce resolution to 720p. For any normal gamer looking for a fun experience, it's completely meaningless.

If you look at any third party review of the 10900k which is "the gaming king", you will find they all say the same thing, unless you're playing competitively, don't get it because it's overpriced, runs too hot and isn't going to get you any better performance.

If you're looking at sites like CPUBenchmark or Userbenchmark or any comparison site, they are Intel shills and fudge their numbers to make intel look better than they are and it's all completely bogus results that have no meaning in real world performance.



 

kam67

Enthusiast
Thanks for that Spydertracks - what got me most worried was the recent Digital Foundry (who are highly respected and impartial - I believe?) review on YouTube. This is the link:
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Thanks for that Spydertracks - what got me most worried was the recent Digital Foundry (who are highly respected and impartial - I believe?) review on YouTube. This is the link:
All his first benchmarks are 1080p, so yes intel's gonna be higher, but it's irrelevant because most people on 1080p will be on 144Hz screens, in which case the CPU isn't going to have any impact as the GPU will max out the screen anyway.

All his later bencharks are higher resolutions and he confirms what everyone else has said, that as you scale up, there's less impact on the CPU, and pretty much all CPU's will render the same FPS on the same GPU.

So he's confirmed what I was saying.

Just watch the last 5 minutes of that video, he's confirming everything you're being told.

Ignore 1080p, it's irrelevant as a resolution for any normal gamer.
 
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