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Shark Zone C10 MINI-ITX case cooling?

Xymeth

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I'm looking at getting a new gaming PC and the idea of a mini case is really attractive to me. I'm not hugely bothered about RGB and it looking majorly pretty, and the advantage of having a small PC sat on my desk instead of a massive tower on the floor is a big deal for me.

I've had a quick look online though and this particular case, which for me is the one I'd choose from the given selection in the Mini PC section, apparently has issues with cooling with higher spec parts.

Now I'm by no means an expert with this stuff and the last PC I bought (which was actually from this site, but I just made a new account) was about 8 years ago, so I'm a bit out of touch with the newest technology. That being said I'm fairly certain I'd want at least a 2060, maybe a 2070 based on what I'll be using the machine for. When it comes to processors and the rest, I wouldn't even know where to begin with what is required without one thing bottlenecking another, or if that's even an issue anymore!

I had a very quick look at picking some parts and when trying to proceed through the order, I had a couple of errors pop up saying that extra fans aren't compatible, and certain cooling solutions also aren't compatible, which honestly made me worry a bit! So yeah, is this a known issue with this case? Or should I just not bother with a case that small for a high performance gaming PC and have to settle for one of the bigger options? I'd like to have high specs in the smallest, quietest chassis possible with the given choices on the site, and not have it overheat.

Any advice is welcome, thanks!
 

Oussebon

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I'd strongly suggest not getting a "mini" PC if you can at all help it.

You're sacrificing upgrade options (e.g. adding storage). The smaller cases often have worse airflow, and have to do things like press the GPU up against (sometimes basically unfiltered) vents on the side of the case.

And ultimately they're not actually that mini. Which when you consider what you're expecting to house in them (high end CPUs and GPUs, storage, a motherboard, ATX PSU, fans, and still have some airflow) isn't too surprising I suppose. The footprint of most of the cases isn't actually much smaller than some of the more compact ATX cases.

e.g.
Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
Fractal Focus G (a normal ATX case): 444mm x 205mm x 464mm (Approx H x W x D)

So similar footprint. Mini case is 2cms wider, though not quite as deep. Ofc the tower is taller though it's still not a monster.

The Sharkoon also appeared to cook a Pentium up to 74 degrees, which was worse even than the Silverstone case designed for HTPCs these guys tested:

I'd really suggest looking at an ATX build in one of the more compact cases.

What's the budget and what monitor are you gaming on?
 

Xymeth

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I'd strongly suggest not getting a "mini" PC if you can at all help it.

You're sacrificing upgrade options (e.g. adding storage). The smaller cases often have worse airflow, and have to do things like press the GPU up against (sometimes basically unfiltered) vents on the side of the case.

And ultimately they're not actually that mini. Which when you consider what you're expecting to house in them (high end CPUs and GPUs, storage, a motherboard, ATX PSU, fans, and still have some airflow) isn't too surprising I suppose. The footprint of most of the cases isn't actually much smaller than some of the more compact ATX cases.

e.g.
Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
Fractal Focus G (a normal ATX case): 444mm x 205mm x 464mm (Approx H x W x D)

So similar footprint. Mini case is 2cms wider, though not quite as deep. Ofc the tower is taller though it's still not a monster.

The Sharkoon also appeared to cook a Pentium up to 74 degrees, which was worse even than the Silverstone case designed for HTPCs these guys tested:

I'd really suggest looking at an ATX build in one of the more compact cases.

What's the budget and what monitor are you gaming on?
Thanks for your help on this. I did think the thermals would be an issue but wasn’t expecting it to be that bad! Is something like the NZXT H200 better? It’s bigger than the “mini” case I was looking at but still much smaller than my current tower which is H 492mm, W 210mm, D 523mm!

My monitor is the ASUS VS248HR so I’ll most likely get a new one as it only does 1080. I’d set aside about £1500 in my head for the PC but haven’t completely planned it out yet. Ultimately I can go more expensive if it’s really worth it but I don’t want to go crazy. I’m not that savvy with upgrading so I want to get the most that I can knowing that it’ll last a while, as much as possible anyway given how technology progresses.
 

Oussebon

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The thing is that once you start going for the "small" tower mini ITX builds like the H200 and the Nano S, you've almost completely eliminated the advantages of the mini ITX (i.e. it's a bit smaller) while still having plenty of the drawbacks especially reduced scope for upgrades.

Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
H200: 334mm x 210mm x 372mm
Your case: 492mm, W 210mm, D 523mm!

I used the Focus G example earlier, forgetting that the Meshify C is even smaller overall:
Meshify C: 440mm x 212mm x 395mm (Approx H x W x D)

So, fine, it's 10cm tallter than an H200. But the footprint's basically the same, the cooling's excellent, and you get a full ATX motherboard. As well as an extra HDD bay, in case your music/movie/saved gameplay footage / steam library gets very big and you want more cheap mass storage. (bearing in mind a USB external drive kind of defeats the point of saving space on the case, while a NAS might be overkill if all you really turn out to need is space for another drive).

And it's definitely got a smaller footprint than your current case :)

Assuming you were willing to consider a 'normal' build in a compact case like the Meshify C, something like:

Case
FRACTAL MESHIFY C BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.25GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)

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Motherboard
Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2933MHz ~ (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
3TB SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB ADATA SX6000 Pro PCIe M.2 2280 (2100 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Price: £1,144.00 including VAT and Delivery

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As a starting point.

NB: AMD are releasing new CPUs (on sale 7th July) and Nvidia are refreshing their 2000 series GPUs, with AMD launching Navi GPUs as well. So if it's not urgent you could hold off until July.
 

Xymeth

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It does seem like you sacrifice a lot in having the smaller case, so I should probably just deal with having a more normal size one.

I’ve only ever had Intel processors, without sound completely stupid (and I apologise for what ate probably simple questions!) but is there any obvious advantage to using AMD or Intel?

There isn’t any rush so I can definitely wait. Are the upgrades to the 2000 series GPUs going to be as standard or new models?

Thanks for all your help!
 

Oussebon

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I’ve only ever had Intel processors, without sound completely stupid (and I apologise for what ate probably simple questions!) but is there any obvious advantage to using AMD or Intel?
No obvious differences. Intel's CPUs can offer a bit better gaming performance but the differences are broadly quite slim (~5% at 1440p on average or less, depending what CPUs you compare and with what GPU). AMD's CPUs + motherboards are a lot less expensive (Intel has supply issues, while AMD has been cutting prices on its 2000 series CPUs to make way for the new Zen 2 3000 series). We're long past the days of AMD's FX series CPUs which, let's be honest, were a bit sucky.

Also Intel have been hit by wave after wave of security vulnerabilities which haven't affected AMD as badly / at all in some cases, and mitigations have somewhat eroded Intel CPU performance too. Intel aren't having the best time of it in the desktop space for now.

There aren't compatibility issues or anything like that. As far as gaming and home usage goes, your experience is the same.

As for the GPUs, it's a refresh rather than a whole new gen. And it's a rumour, it's not been officially announced, but everyone's pretty much 100% convinced the "2000 super" GPUs are coming out mid July. The 2060 is likely to be the biggest beneficiary as it gets an extra 2gb VRAM and more memory bandwidth, as well as more cores. While the 2070 and 2080 are just expected to get more cores.

Navi we're not entirely sure what to expect. Allegedly it can edge out an RTX 2070 (hence why Nvidia are releasing a refreshed one!). I wouldn't necessarily wait on Navi or the RTX 2000 refresh alone, but if you're waiting for Zen 2 anyway, you can see what more we know in early July :)
 

Xymeth

New member
Great, well thanks for your help! I can definitely wait a while until making any further decisions. I think it’s decided I should just go for a normal size case If I want my computer to not set on fire!

I may very well be back in a couple of months for some more help. Thanks again!
 
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