Shark Zone C10 MINI-ITX case cooling?

[Xymeth]

I'm looking at getting a new gaming PC and the idea of a mini case is really attractive to me. I'm not hugely bothered about RGB and it looking majorly pretty, and the advantage of having a small PC sat on my desk instead of a massive tower on the floor is a big deal for me.

I've had a quick look online though and this particular case, which for me is the one I'd choose from the given selection in the Mini PC section, apparently has issues with cooling with higher spec parts.

Now I'm by no means an expert with this stuff and the last PC I bought (which was actually from this site, but I just made a new account) was about 8 years ago, so I'm a bit out of touch with the newest technology. That being said I'm fairly certain I'd want at least a 2060, maybe a 2070 based on what I'll be using the machine for. When it comes to processors and the rest, I wouldn't even know where to begin with what is required without one thing bottlenecking another, or if that's even an issue anymore!

I had a very quick look at picking some parts and when trying to proceed through the order, I had a couple of errors pop up saying that extra fans aren't compatible, and certain cooling solutions also aren't compatible, which honestly made me worry a bit! So yeah, is this a known issue with this case? Or should I just not bother with a case that small for a high performance gaming PC and have to settle for one of the bigger options? I'd like to have high specs in the smallest, quietest chassis possible with the given choices on the site, and not have it overheat.

Any advice is welcome, thanks!

 

[Oussebon]

I'd strongly suggest not getting a "mini" PC if you can at all help it.

You're sacrificing upgrade options (e.g. adding storage). The smaller cases often have worse airflow, and have to do things like press the GPU up against (sometimes basically unfiltered) vents on the side of the case.

And ultimately they're not actually that mini. Which when you consider what you're expecting to house in them (high end CPUs and GPUs, storage, a motherboard, ATX PSU, fans, and still have some airflow) isn't too surprising I suppose. The footprint of most of the cases isn't actually much smaller than some of the more compact ATX cases.

e.g.
Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
Fractal Focus G (a normal ATX case): 444mm x 205mm x 464mm (Approx H x W x D)

So similar footprint. Mini case is 2cms wider, though not quite as deep. Ofc the tower is taller though it's still not a monster.

The Sharkoon also appeared to cook a Pentium up to 74 degrees, which was worse even than the Silverstone case designed for HTPCs these guys tested:

Testsystem, Belüftung und Messungen - Seite 6 - Hardwareluxx

Mit dem Sharkoon Shark Zone C10 testen wir ein besonders günstiges Mini-ITX-Gehäuse in Gamer-Optik.

www.hardwareluxx.de

I'd really suggest looking at an ATX build in one of the more compact cases.

What's the budget and what monitor are you gaming on?

 

[Xymeth]

I'd strongly suggest not getting a "mini" PC if you can at all help it.

You're sacrificing upgrade options (e.g. adding storage). The smaller cases often have worse airflow, and have to do things like press the GPU up against (sometimes basically unfiltered) vents on the side of the case.

And ultimately they're not actually that mini. Which when you consider what you're expecting to house in them (high end CPUs and GPUs, storage, a motherboard, ATX PSU, fans, and still have some airflow) isn't too surprising I suppose. The footprint of most of the cases isn't actually much smaller than some of the more compact ATX cases.

e.g.
Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
Fractal Focus G (a normal ATX case): 444mm x 205mm x 464mm (Approx H x W x D)

So similar footprint. Mini case is 2cms wider, though not quite as deep. Ofc the tower is taller though it's still not a monster.

The Sharkoon also appeared to cook a Pentium up to 74 degrees, which was worse even than the Silverstone case designed for HTPCs these guys tested:

Testsystem, Belüftung und Messungen - Seite 6 - Hardwareluxx

Mit dem Sharkoon Shark Zone C10 testen wir ein besonders günstiges Mini-ITX-Gehäuse in Gamer-Optik.

www.hardwareluxx.de

I'd really suggest looking at an ATX build in one of the more compact cases.

What's the budget and what monitor are you gaming on?

Thanks for your help on this. I did think the thermals would be an issue but wasn’t expecting it to be that bad! Is something like the NZXT H200 better? It’s bigger than the “mini” case I was looking at but still much smaller than my current tower which is H 492mm, W 210mm, D 523mm!

My monitor is the ASUS VS248HR so I’ll most likely get a new one as it only does 1080. I’d set aside about £1500 in my head for the PC but haven’t completely planned it out yet. Ultimately I can go more expensive if it’s really worth it but I don’t want to go crazy. I’m not that savvy with upgrading so I want to get the most that I can knowing that it’ll last a while, as much as possible anyway given how technology progresses.

 

[Oussebon]

The thing is that once you start going for the "small" tower mini ITX builds like the H200 and the Nano S, you've almost completely eliminated the advantages of the mini ITX (i.e. it's a bit smaller) while still having plenty of the drawbacks especially reduced scope for upgrades.

Sharkoon: 180mm x 225mm x 370mm (Approx H x W x D)
H200: 334mm x 210mm x 372mm
Your case: 492mm, W 210mm, D 523mm!

I used the Focus G example earlier, forgetting that the Meshify C is even smaller overall:
Meshify C: 440mm x 212mm x 395mm (Approx H x W x D)

So, fine, it's 10cm tallter than an H200. But the footprint's basically the same, the cooling's excellent, and you get a full ATX motherboard. As well as an extra HDD bay, in case your music/movie/saved gameplay footage / steam library gets very big and you want more cheap mass storage. (bearing in mind a USB external drive kind of defeats the point of saving space on the case, while a NAS might be overkill if all you really turn out to need is space for another drive).

And it's definitely got a smaller footprint than your current case

Assuming you were willing to consider a 'normal' build in a compact case like the Meshify C, something like:

Case
FRACTAL MESHIFY C BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.25GHz/19MB CACHE/AM4)

World War Z & Division 2: Gold Edition FREE w/ select AMD Ryzen CPUs!
Motherboard
Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra Gaming: ATX, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2933MHz ~ (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
6GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
3TB SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB ADATA SX6000 Pro PCIe M.2 2280 (2100 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 9 working days
Price: £1,144.00 including VAT and Delivery

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As a starting point.

NB: AMD are releasing new CPUs (on sale 7th July) and Nvidia are refreshing their 2000 series GPUs, with AMD launching Navi GPUs as well. So if it's not urgent you could hold off until July.

 

[Xymeth]

It does seem like you sacrifice a lot in having the smaller case, so I should probably just deal with having a more normal size one.

I’ve only ever had Intel processors, without sound completely stupid (and I apologise for what ate probably simple questions!) but is there any obvious advantage to using AMD or Intel?

There isn’t any rush so I can definitely wait. Are the upgrades to the 2000 series GPUs going to be as standard or new models?

Thanks for all your help!

 

[Oussebon]

I’ve only ever had Intel processors, without sound completely stupid (and I apologise for what ate probably simple questions!) but is there any obvious advantage to using AMD or Intel?

No obvious differences. Intel's CPUs can offer a bit better gaming performance but the differences are broadly quite slim (~5% at 1440p on average or less, depending what CPUs you compare and with what GPU). AMD's CPUs + motherboards are a lot less expensive (Intel has supply issues, while AMD has been cutting prices on its 2000 series CPUs to make way for the new Zen 2 3000 series). We're long past the days of AMD's FX series CPUs which, let's be honest, were a bit sucky.

Also Intel have been hit by wave after wave of security vulnerabilities which haven't affected AMD as badly / at all in some cases, and mitigations have somewhat eroded Intel CPU performance too. Intel aren't having the best time of it in the desktop space for now.

There aren't compatibility issues or anything like that. As far as gaming and home usage goes, your experience is the same.

As for the GPUs, it's a refresh rather than a whole new gen. And it's a rumour, it's not been officially announced, but everyone's pretty much 100% convinced the "2000 super" GPUs are coming out mid July. The 2060 is likely to be the biggest beneficiary as it gets an extra 2gb VRAM and more memory bandwidth, as well as more cores. While the 2070 and 2080 are just expected to get more cores.

Navi we're not entirely sure what to expect. Allegedly it can edge out an RTX 2070 (hence why Nvidia are releasing a refreshed one!). I wouldn't necessarily wait on Navi or the RTX 2000 refresh alone, but if you're waiting for Zen 2 anyway, you can see what more we know in early July

 

[Xymeth]

Great, well thanks for your help! I can definitely wait a while until making any further decisions. I think it’s decided I should just go for a normal size case If I want my computer to not set on fire!

I may very well be back in a couple of months for some more help. Thanks again!

 

[Xymeth]

Hey, I'm revisiting the basket to see about getting my PC ordered soon. Unless there's been any major breakthrough in the mini PC scene, would you still recommend a full size case? Ideally I'd like to have the smallest case possible but obviously don't want to compromise any of the components with heat and airflow etc.

I've had another look at the link you put together for me a few months ago but by the looks of it some of the pieces aren't supplied anymore, as the case and RAM have reset to defaults.

My requirements are the same, a high end gaming PC but doesn't need a 2080Ti because it's just unnecessary, so a 2060/2070 would be enough I'm sure. My budget I'd say would be between £1000-£1500, and I'd be getting it on finance. As far as monitors I'd be looking at this monitor, or something similar.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FCM5WXF/

Do you think you'd still basically recommend the same build? Or have any of the hardware changes made it change a lot?

Thanks for any advice!

 

[Oussebon]

Unless there's been any major breakthrough in the mini PC scene, would you still recommend a full size case?

There hasn't been a breakthrough in the mini scene, and PCS's case choice seems to have reduced a bit in that area too. The ATX ("normal size") case lineup has also seen changes.

As discussed, Zen 2 has come out now (AMD's new CPUs) and so with your budget and intended uses I would recommend one of those instead.

Also the 2060 Super and 2070 Super have come out. A 2060 Super is more or less a 2070 for a lower price. And AMD have launched their Navi GPUs (RX 5700, RX 5700 XT) which are actually rather good.

I'd suggest you don't buy that particular monitor because it has no freesync (no adaptive sync). For gaming, you really will want that as an option.

Is the £1000-£1500 for the PC + monitor? Or is it upto £1500 for the PC plus a separate monitor budget? If so, what's the total? (obviously not suggesting you spend more than you need, but knowing the limit helps present options)

 

[Xymeth]

There hasn't been a breakthrough in the mini scene, and PCS's case choice seems to have reduced a bit in that area too. The ATX ("normal size") case lineup has also seen changes.

As discussed, Zen 2 has come out now (AMD's new CPUs) and so with your budget and intended uses I would recommend one of those instead.

Also the 2060 Super and 2070 Super have come out. A 2060 Super is more or less a 2070 for a lower price. And AMD have launched their Navi GPUs (RX 5700, RX 5700 XT) which are actually rather good.

I'd suggest you don't buy that particular monitor because it has no freesync (no adaptive sync). For gaming, you really will want that as an option.

Is the £1000-£1500 for the PC + monitor? Or is it upto £1500 for the PC plus a separate monitor budget? If so, what's the total? (obviously not suggesting you spend more than you need, but knowing the limit helps present options)

Okay good to know. What is it about the AMD CPUs compared to day an i7 or i9 makes you recommend the Zen 2?

I don’t necessarily have any issue using AMD CPUs and GPUs but because Intel and nVidia are all I’ve ever had I do have that slight reservation from years ago when AMD was seen as worse (unless I’m making that up!)

Thanks for the monitor suggestion, would you say there’s a similar equivalent? I mainly looked at that to be honest because it was on offer!
I’d say at the minute that £1500 for a PC and monitor would be a good but if it needs to exceed that a little bit (to say £1600?) for a good jump in performance/quality then that would be doable.

 

[Oussebon]

Spoiler: AMD VS World:

AMD was seen as poor on the CPU front, yes. The 'Bulldozer' architecture, also known as Faildozer. When an Intel i3 dual core outperforms your 6-core CPU in gaming pretty handsomely, you know you're in trouble...

That was then, since 2017 with the release of its Zen CPUs, AMD has been moving from strength to strength. The move to 7nm, with the increased IPC (instructions per cycle/clock - how much a CPU 'does' per Hz), work to address memory latency, and bumped frequencies mean they have a very strong position now. AMD's R5 CPUs more or less render Intel's i5s obsolete. They perform similar, sometimes better, in modern games, and are more futureprood thanks to their extra threads ('virtual cores', the same kind of thing that used to set Intel's i7s apart from their i5s). And cost the same. I think I've recommended one single i5 gaming build since July, and that was ultra-niche.

At the higher end of things, i7s and i9s retain the gaming performance crown - but by a greatly reduced margin, and they get caught out by AMD with motherboard options. You can run an R7 on a 'cheap' B450 mobo fine. But Intel's cheaper B360 mobos limit RAM frequency, and don't support overclocking. So AMD wins value, and closes performance gap further through having faster memory at lower price points.

And if you get an expensive X570 mobo with your high end AMD CPU, you get PCIe 4.0. Bringing scope for SSDs that will be twice as far as what Intel's boards support, and possibly more futureproof with regards to future, faster GPUs too. Certainly scope for more PCIe devices to be used together at higher speeds.

Intel have been stuck on the same 14nm process since Skylake (2015). There have been pretty well 0 IPC gains since then, and, to compete with AMD, Intel are basically relaunching the same architecture over and over, periodically adding an extra core or bumping frequency a tiny bit to try to stay one step ahead at the high end. Pretty much only the i9 is keeping its head above the water right now (and that's a £500 CPU - 33-50% of your budget - like most people, you're not in that market).

Their recent i9 9900KS launch has rings of AMD's FX 9000 series. 5GHz was a magic number then too...

As for GPUs, AMD was, until 2016, always pretty competitive. Nvidia had them licked for efficiency with Maxwell, but performance-wise it was pretty even with GTX 970 vs R9 290 and later R9 390. I nearly got a Sapphire 290 over my EVGA 970. Nvidia's launch of Pascal in 2016 had AMD nailed. Polaris was a bit disappointing and didn't compete at the high end, and as for Vega.. oh dear.. Also it was the mining boom where you just couldn't get hold of AMD GPUs anyway as they had better compute performance. But Navi has rattled Nvidia, forcing them to release the 'Super' series and rumours are out that they are bringing back the RTX 2070, that was being phased out in favour of the 2060 Super, to try to compete a little better vs Navi.

If you've got a £3000 budget, sure, you're probably going to end up with an Intel i9 and a GTX 2080 ti. Though maybe still not the i9 if you want PCIe 4.0... However, you're shopping in the £1000-£1500 range, which is where AMD either trades blows with the competition or nails them to the floor, in both value and absolute performance.

I'll leave the last words on that to the bar charts:

As for the spec, something like:

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 220T RGB AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.2GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)

Get 3 Months of XBOX Game Pass for PC w/ select AMD Ryzen CPUs
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B450-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB AMD RADEON™ RX 5700 - HDMI, DP - DX® 12

Get 3 Months of XBOX Game Pass for PC w/ select AMD Radeon Graphics

Ghost Recon: Breakpoint -OR- Borderlands 3 w/ select AMD Radeon GPUs
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB ADATA SX6000 Pro PCIe M.2 2280 (2100 MB/R, 1500 MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 8 to 10 working days
Price: £1,081.00 including VAT and Delivery

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Leaving upto £500 for a 1440p 144hz freesync monitor, and a few tweaks to the build. as required.

I put the RX 5700 in as it's similar price and performance to the RTX 2060 Super, it may play nicer with freesync, and I think the free game selection is better. But 6 of 1, half a dozen of the other really.

 

[Xymeth]

Thanks very much! I really appreciate all the help! Would you say there would be a massive jump in specs if I said the budget was £1500 excluding the monitor? Or would what you've put previously been enough for what I'm looking to do, basically high-end gaming?

 

[Oussebon]

If you had a bit more cash, you could go for the RTX 2070 Super (or 5700 XT). Push those framerates higher on your nice, high refresh monitor.

Maybe the Cooler Master Lite 240 or the Frostflow 240 RGB coolers for the CPU.

You could actually fit the better CPU cooler and the RTX 2080 Super into £1500, though I'm not sure the 2080 Super is really worth the extra £200.

Have a look at some game benchmarks and see what you think I guess:

Spoiler: Benchmarks

XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra Review

The XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra is a brand new triple-fan design from the company, which runs higher clocks, too. XFX listened to criticism and improved the memory cooling plate, reducing temperatures and noise levels significantly, which makes the THICC III one of the quietest RX 5700 XT...

www.techpowerup.com

My own take is that the RTX 2070 Super or RX 5700 XT provide decent bumps over the RX 5700 / RTX 2060 Super for the money, with the RTX 2080 Super stretching value a bit much for 1440p, but any is a valid choice and it's your money

If you stick to the RTX 2070 Super, note that PCS are currently selling the high end NVMe WD Black drive for the same price as the SX6000 at the 1TB level. You could grab a storage upgrade and bargain there. And still be well under £1500.

 

[Xymeth]

Ah okay that's promising, I might do that. Would you recommend any of the monitors on here or try others from other places if there's a better range?

Is there any sort of issue where the graphics card can bottleneck or outperform the CPU? Like if I wanted to upgrade to the 2070 Super, would I need to worry about the motherboard, CPU and RAM as well? I don't really know how they're all linked together in that sense, if at all.

 

[Oussebon]

There is such a thing as a 'CPU bottleneck' and you will eventually get one. Imagine if you tried adding a, RTX 2070 to a PC you bought in 2010. PCIe 2.0 wouldn't really be an issue. RAM quantity probably wouldn't be an issue. But the CPU wouldn't be able to 'feed' the GPU fast enough, in quite a few games anyway.

But that's just the life cycle of a gaming PC.

The R5 shouldn't be an issue for a long while yet. More expensive CPU options don't really seem worth the extra cost in terms of trying to 'extend' the lifespan of the system. An R7 is £150 more, and provides almost no benefit in current games. An Intel i9 with all the trimmings is £400-700 more, which would let you upgrade the CPU, mobo, and RAM 1-2 times over(!)

I think the R5 3600 will see you right for a long while, and the savings from not buying more expensive stuff are the best way to futureproof. By the time your R5 is starting to flag, the other options probably wouldn't be far behind...

you should be fine for a GPU upgrade or two.

Edit: A few specific games are generally CPU-limited more than GPU-limited, often simulators, but you'd probably need to be really into those to spend disprop. amounts of cash to beef up the CPU.

 

[Oussebon]

For monitors, check out:

Gaming Monitors Guide

The monitor is probably the most important component in any gaming build – it defines how you experience games and the hardware the PC should have. Overlooking the monitor can be the single biggest bottleneck to your gaming experience. With recent monitor and graphics card launches, and wider...

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The LG is my top pick, if you can get it, but anything on the list is good. Depends what you want and how much you wanna spend.

 

[Xymeth]

There is such a thing as a 'CPU bottleneck' and you will eventually get one. Imagine if you tried adding a, RTX 2070 to a PC you bought in 2010. PCIe 2.0 wouldn't really be an issue. RAM quantity probably wouldn't be an issue. But the CPU wouldn't be able to 'feed' the GPU fast enough, in quite a few games anyway.

But that's just the life cycle of a gaming PC.

The R5 shouldn't be an issue for a long while yet. More expensive CPU options don't really seem worth the extra cost in terms of trying to 'extend' the lifespan of the system. An R7 is £150 more, and provides almost no benefit in current games. An Intel i9 with all the trimmings is £400-700 more, which would let you upgrade the CPU, mobo, and RAM 1-2 times over(!)

I think the R5 3600 will see you right for a long while, and the savings from not buying more expensive stuff are the best way to futureproof. By the time your R5 is starting to flag, the other options probably wouldn't be far behind...

you should be fine for a GPU upgrade or two.

Edit: A few specific games are generally CPU-limited more than GPU-limited, often simulators, but you'd probably need to be really into those to spend disprop. amounts of cash to beef up the CPU.

Okay cool. If I upgraded to the 2070 Super could I still use the R5 3600 as it's AMD? Or do I have to use an AMD GPU with an AMD CPU?

 

[Oussebon]

AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU are 100% fine together. It's not an issue.

People seem more used to the Intel + Nvidia pairing, but the companies are different and have no love for each other. Especially with Intel entering the dGPU market next year!

 

[Xymeth]

Right, thank you, this has all been extremely helpful!