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sck451

Bright Spark
Ryzen 5/7/9 are actually quite unhelpful names: they don't actually tell you much at all. A Ryzen 5 5600X is the same chip as the Ryzen 7 5800X, just with a couple of cores disabled. They are otherwise identical: absolutely the same silicon and the same generation. They have very, very similar single-core performance. Most of the time you just hear 5600X vs 5800X: the "5" and the "7" are kind of inconsequential. This is stupid branding (I think I'm right in saying it was originally BMW's names for their cars, then copied by Intel, then copied by AMD): we just have to live with it! To clarify:
  • Ryzen 5 5600X: 6 cores
  • Ryzen 7 5800X: 8 cores
  • Ryzen 9 5900X: 12 cores
  • Ryzen 9 5950X: 16 cores
There is a little more to it in terms of the core layout, but that's the essence.

The AOC Q27G2U screen has very good ergonomics: height, tilt and swivel. I don't know about the Samsung. It's really not a good plan to go for a 1080p screen: it would be a terrible waste of money!

I still don't know about sound. But if you're streaming, you 100% want to have headphones on. Speakers would be terrible for streaming because the sound from them would be picked up on your microphone.

If I were you, I would go for a decent airflow case like the 5000D, which has plenty of room for the air cooler to breathe and also has a glass side panel, and then get a USB Blu-ray drive to sit on top or on the desk. Trying to go for the built-in optical drive means all kinds of compromises in terms of the case because so few cases are built for them.
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
thats why i wondered about the case too. why wouldnt you recommend it, what i saw so far seemed pretty good. 3070 was just suggested because availability and there is no option for ryzen 7 5600x :/ oh and i see now - i also wanted an 8 core due to the streaming (and future proof) the others only have 6 core
blu-ray as mentioned to watch region-free. though i am more on the fence now as it is so much trouble. i guess without that reason it is neglectable? (i might check external ones)

oh i didnt mean the speaker for streaming, just for watching stuff, cause i doubt the monitor has good ones. plus we need new ones anyways.
 

sck451

Bright Spark
You'd probably get away with the 5600X for streaming, partly because it's a great chip, but mostly because you'll probably actually be better off using your GPU for video encoding. One advantage of the NVidia graphics cards (and the reason I'm not recommending the 6700XT for you) is that they have the NVENC encoder, which is really high quality, very fast and takes more stress off your CPU. A single setting change in OBS will take care of this.

That said, a 3070, a 5800X, the NH-U14S and a decent airflow case like the 5000D Airflow or the 4000D Airflow would be a great combination, I think. (I have a smaller case and a bigger Noctua cooler: it will fit just fine, I think.)
 

MrWilson

MOST VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
thats why i wondered about the case too. why wouldnt you recommend it, what i saw so far seemed pretty good. 3070 was just suggested because availability and there is no option for ryzen 7 5600x :/ oh and i see now - i also wanted an 8 core due to the streaming (and future proof) the others only have 6 core
blu-ray as mentioned to watch region-free. though i am more on the fence now as it is so much trouble. i guess without that reason it is neglectable? (i might check external ones)

oh i didnt mean the speaker for streaming, just for watching stuff, cause i doubt the monitor has good ones. plus we need new ones anyways.
The Define 7 is a good case; in fact I'm ordering next week and my PC is going to come in that case. What I don't recommend is having that case and having an air cooler over an AIO, especially with the 5800x that runs very hot. We should be able to keep the 5800x in your build, but I would advise against it with that case and that cooler specifically.
I would definitely recommend taking a look at external Blu-Ray drives, as that gives us the option to find a cheaper case with good airflow that will work nicely with an air cooler. The 4000D is back in stock, is nearly £60 cheaper, and has a tempered glass side panel which you mentioned as something you liked the look of.
You're saving nearly £200 on the 3070 if you downgrade to the 3060, and nearly £300 if you switch to the 2060.
It would be a big help if you could please recalculate the cost of your streaming peripherals and then give us the remaining budget to spec you something out (although I'll probably wait until the morning). That will make it easier to give us a bottom line to work towards when making decisions on components.
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
of the things i have in my amazon basket rn (i exchanged the monitor for the AOC - btw why is 24" better than 27"?)
i put in a 80 quid external blu-ray (with 10% voucher). brings periphery on amazon on 855.
pc + speakers is 1989, so totall 2844. i switched case to the 4000D.

its annoying they dont have a waiting list for the 3060 ti. with my set up, is the 3070 still possible or should i retreat to the 3060?

as i cant switch to 5600x in that configuration btw and nowhere else, is it even possible on pcspecialist?

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® STRIX B550-F GAMING (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NOT REQUIRED
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Speakers
LOGITECH Z313 2.1 SILVER/BLACK SPEAKER SYSTEM
Surge Protection
6 Socket 2m Surge Protector
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products
Price: £1,989.00 including VAT and Delivery
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
correction: i forgot - as its not a region-free one and we have a ps4, we probably dont need a blu-ray drive? saves 70 on the periphery part than (and it would be under 2800 total)
 

MrWilson

MOST VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
of the things i have in my amazon basket rn (i exchanged the monitor for the AOC - btw why is 24" better than 27"?)
i put in a 80 quid external blu-ray (with 10% voucher). brings periphery on amazon on 855.
pc + speakers is 1989, so totall 2844. i switched case to the 4000D.

its annoying they dont have a waiting list for the 3060 ti. with my set up, is the 3070 still possible or should i retreat to the 3060?

as i cant switch to 5600x in that configuration btw and nowhere else, is it even possible on pcspecialist?
So the reason 24 inch is better than 27 inch for 1080p is due to pixel density. As they are both 1080p monitors they have the same number of pixels on the horizontal and vertical axes, but they are stretched further across to fill the larger height and width of larger monitors. Once that stretches past 25 inches on 1080p most people can visibly notice the stretched pixels and picture quality is noticeably poorer. At 27 inches we would normally recommend a 1440p display, however a decent 1440p monitor would set you back at least an extra £100 and unfortunately due to the 3060ti continuing to be a myth across the UK an available 1440p GPU would set you back an extra £180 or so.

Put this together for just under 2k. Gives you the 5800x, the 3060 GPU to pair well with the AOC monitor, better storage and a better PSU.
Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NOT REQUIRED
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Speakers
LOGITECH Z313 2.1 SILVER/BLACK SPEAKER SYSTEM
Surge Protection
6 Socket 2m Surge Protector
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products
Price: £1,993.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/S6N7Xum5cf/
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
first, thanks for everyone for the help and the patience with me.

in benchmarks, the 3060 ti performed nice enough for me. i jjust wanted 60fps at least and on ultra settings on 1440p it gives you still 70-90fps depending on the game. (obviously more on older ones) i found that to be a great option. as older or some games can go much higher, plus not so much price difference, a 144hz was still a good fit. at least that was my thought process behind it.
i guess the 3070 is still a good perspective there for the price and availibity - if it works with the rest/adjustments
unless you a better general fit

i know i have to budget, but if i would want to have HD just in 60fps i could just wait for a PS5 :D
i could get some extra stuff later on a per month basis if needed. the PC itself should be most important i decided.
- but i really dont get why i should get another sata SSD? if you could explain?

so what would be the advantage going from 650w to 850w?
 

MrWilson

MOST VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
The 3060ti is a very capable GPU. It is our typical recommendation for 1440p gaming systems. Unfortunately, across the UK there has been little to no 3060ti stock for the past couple of months. That leaves us with the 3070 and 6700XT as 1440p GPUs. With the current prices I would lean towards the 3070 when deciding between those two. If you're only looking for 60fps though, the 3060 should manage that at 1440p with a couple of graphics optimisations on certain titles. It's certainly not as good value as the 3060ti but that's somewhat of a moot point when the 3060ti is unavailable.
Opting to stick at 1080p gives you more budget to spend on the rest of the PC and have more premium parts that will last longer and be more robust. The GPU will be the first component you upgrade during your machine's lifetime anyway. The PSU gives you the headroom to handle a larger GPU at a later date, you don't spec the PSU to what you have now, you spec it to what's going to be in there in a few years time.
The idea behind a second m.2 drive (not SATA, m.2 drives are connected directly to the motherboard and are a heck of a lot faster) is that you have the fastest possible drive for your OS and programs and then your games go on the slower, but still fast PCS m.2.

Not sure where you're getting £30 from? The AOC 1080p monitor is around £180. If you're comparing it to the AOC 1440p monitor then that's another story. If you're interested in going for an IPS then I would recommend the LG GL850 at £329.
 

MrWilson

MOST VALUED CONTRIBUTOR
If you wanted to focus on peripherals later, then this would be what I recommend. Added the 3070 back in, would recommend pairing it with a G5 or the LG monitor listed above.
Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.7GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
NOT REQUIRED
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Speakers
LOGITECH Z313 2.1 SILVER/BLACK SPEAKER SYSTEM
Surge Protection
6 Socket 2m Surge Protector
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Subject to stock availability on pre-order products
Price: £2,231.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/WJqnJ2kWwa/
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
oh no, i meant the linked Acer one. though LG seems a good offer too. though - energy consumption says G, isnt that bad (or just normal for such screens?)
also what i stumbled over - due to the rtx 30xx would i need gsync instead of freesync? or does it matter less?

i agree on the power supply, thats an good argument. (sorry for being on-off, my autistic brain is just weird sometimes)
if i just look at the set up without the price in mind, it looks pretty good.

- though the other commenter mean the PCS is faster than the samsung. hmmm
anyways i would stick to one of them. i dont see me installing much at the same time. if it is enough for lets say 2-3 new games, that
would be enough. even 1 if needed. I am more of a person and streamer playing 1-2 games at a point. (and no worry my goal isnt to become a big streamer as a plan, firstmost i do it for the fun)

i would rather invest that into the monitor.

i just checked what noctua says and it might enough to upgrade to the nh-d15? 30 quid more, but triple the compatibility according to them
 

sck451

Bright Spark
oh no, i meant the linked Acer one. though LG seems a good offer too. though - energy consumption says G, isnt that bad (or just normal for such screens?)
also what i stumbled over - due to the rtx 30xx would i need gsync instead of freesync? or does it matter less?

i agree on the power supply, thats an good argument. (sorry for being on-off, my autistic brain is just weird sometimes)
if i just look at the set up without the price in mind, it looks pretty good.

- though the other commenter mean the PCS is faster than the samsung. hmmm
anyways i would stick to one of them. i dont see me installing much at the same time. if it is enough for lets say 2-3 new games, that
would be enough. even 1 if needed. I am more of a person and streamer playing 1-2 games at a point. (and no worry my goal isnt to become a big streamer as a plan, firstmost i do it for the fun)

i would rather invest that into the monitor.

i just checked what noctua says and it might enough to upgrade to the nh-d15? 30 quid more, but triple the compatibility according to them
There are two types of SSD: the SATA type (physically large, old, slow) and the M.2 type (physically small, new, fast). The PCS M.2 is faster than the Samsung SATA drive, but slower than the Samsung M.2 drive. (There is endless complexity here!) That's why I said the Samsung drive is slower than the PCS one. Sorry for not being clearer!

If you are comfortable fitting a Noctua cooler yourself, get the cheapest possible cooler from PCS and buy the NH-D15S yourself. It has more compatibility than the NH-D15 because it's slightly asymmetrical and only has one fan. It's what I have and it's an awesome cooler.

Oh, and pretty much any FreeSync monitor is G-Sync compatible. It will work just fine, even if it doesn't have the certification.
 

ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Moderator
There are two types of SSD: the SATA type (physically large, old, slow) and the M.2 type (physically small, new, fast). The PCS M.2 is faster than the Samsung SATA drive, but slower than the Samsung M.2 drive. (There is endless complexity here!) That's why I said the Samsung drive is slower than the PCS one. Sorry for not being clearer!
Actually there are three!

SATA connected drives, all of which use the ACHI protocol (slowest).
M.2 connected drives. Some (slower) use the ACHI protocol and others (faster) use the NVMe protocol.

:)
 

sck451

Bright Spark
Actually there are three!

SATA connected drives, all of which use the ACHI protocol (slowest).
M.2 connected drives. Some (slower) use the ACHI protocol and others (faster) use the NVMe protocol.

:)
Well, you can also have NVMe drives that use the full-sized PCIe interface as well! As I say, endless complexity...
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
thanks again to all. okay i will get the recommended cooler, same price anyways.
and it seems i will need to build it myself - i will look for someone who knows or even can help, no worry.

and yeah i already dreading technology after 4 days on working on this.
what do you say about the storage, sck451? if get one nvme only, which should it be? (budget of course. my estimate above is with
the 1tb PCS)

and what you say to mr wilsons monitor suggestion? just nice to hear different opinions
 
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ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
Moderator
Well, you can also have NVMe drives that use the full-sized PCIe interface as well! As I say, endless complexity...
M.2 is PCIe. True you can get adapters and drives that plug in directly to the PCIe interface but the drive technology is the same.
 

Auburnt Vixen

Active member
though i forgot to click off the other coolers, so 2906 even.
as you cant take off coolers at all, it is set to the standard one. but no matter as it wont be attached anyways, right?
or can you even state that you will have your own?
 

SpyderTracks

Bingo Bango Orchestrator
Moderator
though i forgot to click off the other coolers, so 2906 even.
as you cant take off coolers at all, it is set to the standard one. but no matter as it wont be attached anyways, right?
or can you even state that you will have your own?
You have to select a cooler in the build.
 
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