The Seven Year Itch

IceZaroth

Member
In October 2013, I bought all my own components and Built my first Water Cooled build.

Some of the stats are as of today:

i7 920 running at 4.2ghz
32GB 2333mhz DDR3 Corsair Vengeance memory
GTX 780 GFX Card

Put it this way as of today its sitting with Windows 10 Pro on it and a 27" IPS LG panel & its running as sweet as a nut but I have this burning 7 Year itch thats telling me its time to put this one aside and buy a new future proofed model as I did in 2013, so below is the specs I am looking at for my next new machine but this time around I am looking at PCS to not only build it but to same me from having to this time around plus I want PETG hardlines this time around.

Case
LIAN LI O11DYNAMIC XL ROG CERTIFIED GAMING CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Lian Li PC011D – EK
Tubing
Clear Hardline PETG Tubing (Bent/Metallic Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
Mayhems Pastel Blue Berry
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked Intel® Core™ i9-10900K Ten Core (3.7GHz @ up to 5.1GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO Wi-Fi (LGA1200, USB 3.2, CrossFireX/SLI) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (4 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
4TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (up to 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3300MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1200W HX SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® PLATINUM, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Braided Power Supply Cables
CORSAIR Premium Individually Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro - White
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professionnal 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Monitor
ASUS PG279QE 27" IPS G-Sync ROG Swift
Keyboard & Mouse
Razer® Huntsman Opto Gaming Keyboard
Keyboard & Mouse
CORSAIR WIRELESS MOUSE IRONCLAW RGB
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
SCOTTISH HIGHLANDS & UK OFFSHORE ISLANDS / N IRELAND
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days


Dont mind the over excessive PSU - that model has been in my current gaming rig for 7 years without a failure, its a tank of a PSU, that's why i'm sticking with it.

P.s I dont game that much now a days due to working but when I do game things like RSI aka Star Citizen you'll understand why the horse power is needed :)
 
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steaky360

Moderator
Moderator
Hi @IceZaroth what is your budget? Any reason you've gone with an intel processor over an AMD - you'll get a much better overall package with an AMD processor.
 

IceZaroth

Member
Correct Money is not the driving force future proofing is more the thing plus very high end games that demand silly configs to run correctly.

I have always been a Intel Fan over AMD ever since the very early days of AMD way over heating and practically melting where as Intel has never let me down ... YET!

I am turning 50 this year and had a computer or other since I was 7 years old so yes my first PC was a i386 Dx2-66mhz if that helps any, been through Pentium 1 through 4 days and latest i7 currently so thought its time to splootch and get a nice future ready rig again. :)
 

IceZaroth

Member
Although I will admit, the sheer spectacle of a water cooled unit is always impressive.

Just wouldn't want one myself, the maintenance alone seems like a bit too much faff for a simpleton like me.

Ok I wish to reply to yourself first ... Don't believe the Hype of having to clean out and refil your water loops yearly thats a load of you know what keeping it clean in here, I have services and cleaned out mine twice in 7 years and its still like the day I built it all, its more to do with what you fill the loop or loops with if your crazy and fill the loops with a low grade water with added color dye that's a disaster waiting to happen.

In my current Water Cooled Build I have gone with using a clear liquid as opposed to coloured fluid, my Reservoir has dual Silver Bullets thats hanging into the liquid and further cleanse the water, trust me its fine I also checked the blocks earlier this year and they are corrosion free after 7 years.

So dont always believe the hype, I can how ever without sponsoring them all my blocks are EK they are befinately the best and 7 years ago the swet fitting back in them days were sets of Monsoon fittings 16 Outer Diameter and your good to go :)
 

IceZaroth

Member
If you're willing to consider the advice above I would be like a kid in a sweet shop coming up with a spec if you like. I'm a huge enthusiast so I'm happy to spend your money, I would just advise doing so a little more wisely ;)

I will entertain a Build you come up with, Like I said previously I have not seen a AMD chip since Pentium 1 or 2 days, so its that long ago and thus not a clue as to what AMD offer or whether they are good or not but I am willing to look over your build for me.

Have a small party Scott and i'll look over whatever you come up with ... The Gauntlet has indeed been thrown down at your feet sir ... Impress me and if you do I will get that Built and will showcase your name on the build, that's how impressed I will be.


BUT SCOTT ... answer this first, you have 2 machines in your signature both with Intel Chips and your trying to convert me to AMD?

And Finally this is in the Liquid Cooling section so keep the water cooling in if you can Scott remember its not about the money it's about everything else
 
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IceZaroth

Member
Hold the phone, The top Intel Chip against the top AMD Thread Ripper is ...

I know I said Money was not an issue and its not but £550 for Intel i9-10900k vs AMD Thread Ripper 3990X at £3000 thats a Huge Difference just for that chip irrespective of its Cores or threads that money would not be justified unless you were doing serious raytracing like Working in Blender / Lightwave 3D or the likes for gaming and watching tv/movies that price tag is insane.

Looks like I will be sticking with Intel Scott sorry
 
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Deleted member 17413

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Arent the Ryzen 3800X 3800XT 3900X 3950X etc the ones that are similar ranking to the Intel?
I thought the Treadrippers are next level up?
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Hold the phone, The top Intel Chip against the top AMD Thread Ripper is ...

I know I said Money was not an issue and its not but £550 for Intel i9-10900k vs AMD Thread Ripper 3990X at £3000 thats a Huge Difference just for that chip irrespective of its Cores or threads that money would not be justified unless you were doing serious raytracing like Working in Blender / Lightwave 3D or the likes for gaming and watching tv/movies that price tag is insane.

Looks like I will be sticking with Intel Scott sorry
You’re not comparing apples to apples, threadripper is an HEDT part which would be the Intel extreme series, which are utterly useless.

But you wouldn’t want HEDT for gaming.

The 10900k would compare to the 3900x roughly.
 

IceZaroth

Member
Ah ok so I was looking at the wrong section thats why told you know nothing about AMD apart from it went on fire many many years ago but thats when they had serious heat issues and could go on fire, right i'll check out the right section
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
In your shoes I would buy the following:

Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 500D SE CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 3900XT 12 Core CPU (4.7GHz/70MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
11GB ASUS ROG STRIX GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
2TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (up to 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Keyboard & Mouse
Corsair K95 RGB PLATINUM Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX RGB Speed
Keyboard & Mouse
CORSAIR WIRELESS MOUSE IRONCLAW RGB
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days
Price: £3,906.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/ggeY55qZ7g/


Paired with this:


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Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
I will entertain a Build you come up with, Like I said previously I have not seen a AMD chip since Pentium 1 or 2 days, so its that long ago and thus not a clue as to what AMD offer or whether they are good or not but I am willing to look over your build for me.

Have a small party Scott and i'll look over whatever you come up with ... The Gauntlet has indeed been thrown down at your feet sir ... Impress me and if you do I will get that Built and will showcase your name on the build, that's how impressed I will be.


BUT SCOTT ... answer this first, you have 2 machines in your signature both with Intel Chips and your trying to convert me to AMD?

And Finally this is in the Liquid Cooling section so keep the water cooling in if you can Scott remember its not about the money it's about everything else

I built my machines before Intel fell from grace and AMD rose to claim the crown. if I was building now I would go for a 3900XT personally. AMD is just miles ahead of Intel right now, their price vs performance isn't close. There's numerous security vulnerabilities etc.

I'm just about to follow up with liquid cooled. I wouldn't do it personally but if it's definitely what's wanted then that's fair enough.
 
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Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Liquid build.

If ordering I would advise you request them to remove the overclock. It limits the gaming peak frequencies. AMD chips boost excellently on their own and don't need to be fixed, they operate better without it.

I would also ask if they can fit an XT processor over the standard X. I think this is just waiting updating more than anything.

Case
LIAN LI O11DYNAMIC XL ROG CERTIFIED GAMING CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Lian Li PC011D – EK
Tubing
Clear Hardline PETG Tubing (Bent/Metallic Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
Mayhems Pastel Blue Berry
LED Lighting
2x 50cm RGB LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core (3.8GHz @ up to 4.3GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (up to 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Braided Power Supply Cables
CORSAIR Premium Individually Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro - White
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Keyboard & Mouse
Corsair K95 RGB PLATINUM Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX RGB Speed
Keyboard & Mouse
CORSAIR WIRELESS MOUSE IRONCLAW RGB
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days
Price: £4,485.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-liquid/62cTZkg4TZ/
 

IceZaroth

Member
Hi Scott thanks for doing both of them I am still sifting through stats but I think your first built is lacking Memory in this day and age 16GB is ok if your not doing much but 32GB is the standard i'd believe in. Let me check over these and i'll get back to you more, I know the bottom one has 32GB nice

Also dont have a build with over 16GB ram on a home software 32GB and above should always be Pro version of windows 10
 

Gavras

Master Poster
Personally with the OP’s options, I would upgrade the GPU and wait a few months.

extract from this link (Exec VP of AMD computing..

So, what’s next for AMD in the PC space? Well, I cannot share too much, but I can say our high-performance journey continues with our first “Zen 3” Client processor on-track to launch later this year. I will wrap by saying you haven’t seen the best of us yet…


Based on that if any thought of future proofing, then best bet would be to wait for AMD 4000 release, especially if they drop the ball and change socket requirements... (doubtful but always a risk).

as above also go for display upgrade linked with GPU.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Hi Scott thanks for doing both of them I am still sifting through stats but I think your first built is lacking Memory in this day and age 16GB is ok if your not doing much but 32GB is the standard i'd believe in. Let me check over these and i'll get back to you more, I know the bottom one has 32GB nice

Also dont have a build with over 16GB ram on a home software 32GB and above should always be Pro version of windows 10
Windows 10 home supports up to 128Gb RAM, the only benefit to pro is if you’re joining a domain, it’s not like on previous versions of windows where home was very restrictive.
 

IceZaroth

Member
Scott, I have modifed your last build a little and will be submitting this machine to be built by PCS in a weeks time as per below.

Case
LIAN LI O11DYNAMIC XL ROG CERTIFIED GAMING CASE
Custom Liquid Cooling Kit
Liquid Series RGB Lian Li PC011D – EK
Tubing
Clear Hardline PETG Tubing (Bent/Metallic Fittings)
Graphics Card Cooling
GPU Water Block - For One Graphics Card!
Coolant Colour
Mayhems X1 UV Clear Blue
LED Lighting
2x 50cm UV LED Strip
Overclocked CPU
Overclocked AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16 Core (3.5GHz @ up to 4.3GHz)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
4TB Samsung 860 QVO 2.5" SSD, SATA 6Gb/s (up to 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Braided Power Supply Cables
CORSAIR Premium Individually Sleeved PSU Cable Kit Pro - White
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Professional 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [MUP-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Monitor
ASUS PG279QE 27" IPS G-Sync ROG Swift
Keyboard & Mouse
Corsair K95 RGB PLATINUM Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, Cherry MX RGB Speed
Keyboard & Mouse
CORSAIR WIRELESS MOUSE IRONCLAW RGB
Warranty
3 Year Platinum Warranty (3 Year Collect & Return, 3 Year Parts, 3 Year labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Liquid Series® Build - Approximately 11 to 13 working days
Price: £5,671.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-liquid/GWSD9SHjPt/
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
You genuinely won't gain anything from going for the 3950X. If you can get the 3900XT it's the highest frequency available from AMD at the moment. The 3950X, while the top of the chain, purely adds cores which would be for professional applications. It won't do anything for games, in actual fact the 3900XT is overkill... I just think it's warranted with the budget.

The monitor is a purely personal thing of course but with a 2080Ti it's completely wasted on that panel. Super Ultrawide is about the only 1440p monitor that's going to make use of the power.

As I say, I would definitely call up and ask them to remove the overclock option (and ask if they can use the 3900XT if you go down that route). It's detrimental to gaming.
 

IceZaroth

Member
Scott I am using a Corner unit that is maxed out with a 27" I cannot do a bigger size it wont fit the space thats why im staying 27"
 
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