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Nursemorph

Author Level
Okay...so, I have just had a quick hunt around to look for anything regarding compatibility issues between AMD chips and VSI/MIDI and I cannot find anything concrete. There have been issues in the distant past so maybe it's related to that, maybe it's rumours started by Intel or Intel fans.

The only just about concrete issue I am aware of when it comes to music production and AMD chips is the latency of the 3800x chip making it less than ideal for music production (this was pointed out when I was doing a similar spec for someone a while ago) but my research indicated it was only the 3800x chip.
 

pinerush

Active member
It really depends on what level the OP is at....most people doing music production on a PC would be using an external DAC so it would negate a sound card anyway. Without an external DAC then a sound card may be of some use as it may give greater scope for equaliser choices etc. Difficult without knowing the hardware and software being used for the music production

Currently, I am using REAPER as the DAW, Panorama Nektar T4 Midi Controller, Presonus Studio 24C Audio Interface and RCF Ayra PRO6 Studio Monitors.
 
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pinerush

Active member
Yes, he is referring to mini PCs or what are sometimes referred to as "small form factor" of SFF. Basically a small cube like system instead of a tower....however, I'd generally only go for one of them if it's absolutely necessary as for optimal cooling, it needs more fans etc which may make it noisier.

I honestly think the best way to go is with the spec I posted earlier but it's up to you of course

Very helpful :)
 

pinerush

Active member
I wouldn't read too much into benchmark tests as a lot of sites have significant bias towards Intel whereby all the tests are designed to favour Intel over AMD. The only place that Intel chip will outperform the 3600XT would be in high number multi-core processes as it has more cores than the AMD chip...in single core, the AMD will be much better due to it's much higher clock rate as well as being a much newer chip. There are very few instances now where we'd recommend Intel over AMD.

The compatibility with VST and MIDI is not something I have any knowledge on unfortunately.

As to the external GPU, it will be much more expensive as it needs the housing for the GPU as well as the GPU itself....but I'm not sure whether it would be any different as the system would use whatever GPU resources it needed whether it's an internal or external card. Also not really sure how soundproofed the external enclosures are.

I'm not an audio person to any stretch of the imagination (beyond appreciating music and audio quality) but, if I was looking for a system, I'd much rather get an entire system designed for quietness and airflow than get maybe a noisier system with one or 2 bits designed for quietness. As I said before, the system I specced up is about as quiet a system as you can get that doesn't sacrifice airflow

FANTASTIC :):):)
 

pinerush

Active member
Okay...so, I have just had a quick hunt around to look for anything regarding compatibility issues between AMD chips and VSI/MIDI and I cannot find anything concrete. There have been issues in the distant past so maybe it's related to that, maybe it's rumours started by Intel or Intel fans.

The only just about concrete issue I am aware of when it comes to music production and AMD chips is the latency of the 3800x chip making it less than ideal for music production (this was pointed out when I was doing a similar spec for someone a while ago) but my research indicated it was only the 3800x chip.

Yes, I agree. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete re compatibility issues 🤞

Also, fingers crossed re latency as that would be a nightmare.

I am curious to know if the GTX 1650 SUPER would be sufficient. Is the better spec of the RTX 2070 another myth?
 

Nursemorph

Author Level
Yes, I agree. There doesn't seem to be anything concrete re compatibility issues 🤞

Also, fingers crossed re latency as that would be a nightmare.

I am curious to know if the GTX 1650 SUPER would be sufficient. Is the better spec of the RTX 2070 another myth?

The GPU is one thing I really am not sure about when it comes to video production....for gaming, assuming a relevant monitor, then yes, the 2070S would be better but for production I don't know, hence why I just put in a low end one. Hopefully @SpyderTracks or @Scott would have some opinion on it

Which 3rd party benchmarks are reliable?

Personally, Hexus.net is the site I use most for tech information. When doing comparisons, they aren't biased one way or another and they test in a variety of ways...for eaxmple, here is their review of the 3800XT and 3900XT...they don't actually test the 3600XT but in the results graphs, it would be somewhere around the 3700x probably..noticeably above the 9700k:

XT Series tested
 

pinerush

Active member
If you want quietness then you need to go with a system designed for quietness rather than restricting yourself to certain components. I have drawn up a spec for as quiet a system as you will get for your budget (well, a bit over but you did say around £1200 and the extra is definitely worth it)....it has a case designed for quietness (sound proofing/deadening on all sides), the fans for the CPU cooler are as quiet as you can get (they are magnetic levitation rather than traditional fans so make much less noise....difference bewteen a Maglev train and a British Rail train on traditional tracks), it has a quiet PSU where the fan only comes on when the system is under high load so is very quiet.

I honestly am not sure you would get anything quieter, even using an external GPU:

Case
FRACTAL DEFINE 7 BLACK QUIET MID-TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT Six Core CPU (4.5GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 SUPER - HDMI
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days
Price: £1,380.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/rK0qseRqqJ/

Wasn't sure what level GPU you were looking at so just put in a basic 1080p one

Hi Nursemorph. I have just tried your link and the price is different: £1,241.00. Also, my original spec was for an AIO. I hadn't realised or appreciated that your spec was for a desktop, which I guess means, I would have to spend more money on a monitor, keyboard, cables etc. It's made the process a bit financially daunting :( Any suggestions for a complete setup? Also, curios to know why you chose Firefox?
 
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Nursemorph

Author Level
Hi Nursemorph. I have just tried your link and the price is different: £1,241.00. Also, my original spec was for a laptop. I hadn't realised or appreciated that your spec was for a desktop, which I guess means, I would have to spend more money on a monitor, keyboard, cables etc. It's made the process a bit financially daunting :( Any suggestions for a complete setup? Also, curios to know why you chose Firefox?

Ah...I do apologise for that...I got so caught up in the AIO and Mini-PC discussion and just flat out forgot you had been looking for a laptop to begin with. :oops:

Regarding the link: It's because the case I recommended has been removed from the configurator so that is reflected in the price. They sometimes disappear and then reappear.

Firefox: No particular reason...I use basic specs from a system building guide on here and then tailor them to whatever each person needs and the default browser on those is firefox. It can be changed to any of the browsers.

Given the case removal as well as your need for a monitor and peripherals is going to require a bit of thinking as not sure can get all of them within the budget without compromising somewhere
 

pinerush

Active member
Ah...I do apologise for that...I got so caught up in the AIO and Mini-PC discussion and just flat out forgot you had been looking for a laptop to begin with. :oops:

Regarding the link: It's because the case I recommended has been removed from the configurator so that is reflected in the price. They sometimes disappear and then reappear.

Firefox: No particular reason...I use basic specs from a system building guide on here and then tailor them to whatever each person needs and the default browser on those is firefox. It can be changed to any of the browsers.

Given the case removal as well as your need for a monitor and peripherals is going to require a bit of thinking as not sure can get all of them within the budget without compromising somewhere

Perhaps you could give a few different quotes - best, not so good and worst - as I have spent all week searching for a decent spec? It would be a real shame to have to compromise the spec at this stage. I still don't know which would be the better graphics card either. Also, just a wild shot: does PC Specialist provide NHS Discounts? That might help.
 

sibun1

Rising Star
Thinking about what you would use if for, I had a go at it

Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X Six Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.4GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B450-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 SUPER - HDMI
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Monitor
AOC I2490VXQ/BT 23.8" IPS Monitor - 1920 x 1080
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days
Price: £1,185.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/CEhA2fvEHb/
 

sibun1

Rising Star
Its an IPS monitor with HD resolution (1080p) so no reason to be going about the 1600 series GPU's and you said its for music and video production. Also has inbuilt speakers, you are never going to get amazing ones on a monitor but the review on this one (assuming ive picked the monitor i think it is) says theyre pretty good as monitor speakers go. The spec itself is better than what youd get in a AIO, you would still need a keyboard and mouse but I assume you arent after anything fancy with that.

You might want to look at replacing the two fans in there for ML ones...but the case is designed to dampen noise, the 3600x has been said to come with a decent cooler already.

I would get someone to look at i who knows more than me, but i was thinking youd actually get more noise from a laptop and less for your money, and those specs are still better than what you would find in a AIO for the same too.
 

pinerush

Active member
Thinking about what you would use if for, I had a go at it

Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600X Six Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.4GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B450-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.1, 6Gb/s) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1650 SUPER - HDMI
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Monitor
AOC I2490VXQ/BT 23.8" IPS Monitor - 1920 x 1080
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days
Price: £1,185.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/CEhA2fvEHb/

Thank you Sibun1 :)
 

pinerush

Active member
Its an IPS monitor with HD resolution (1080p) so no reason to be going about the 1600 series GPU's and you said its for music and video production. Also has inbuilt speakers, you are never going to get amazing ones on a monitor but the review on this one (assuming ive picked the monitor i think it is) says theyre pretty good as monitor speakers go. The spec itself is better than what youd get in a AIO, you would still need a keyboard and mouse but I assume you arent after anything fancy with that.

You might want to look at replacing the two fans in there for ML ones...but the case is designed to dampen noise, the 3600x has been said to come with a decent cooler already.

I would get someone to look at i who knows more than me, but i was thinking youd actually get more noise from a laptop and less for your money, and those specs are still better than what you would find in a AIO for the same too.

The monitor looks pretty decent :)

I think Nursemorph is going to get back to me re updating the spec.
 

Nursemorph

Author Level
I will try and look at that spec tomorrow as I am getting really tired...if I haven't posted anything by midday, then please tag me in here (just type @ nursemorph but without the space) between the @ and my username) or send me a message as it may be I've forgotten
 

pinerush

Active member
Of course, no worries :) I have been checking out different threads in the forum and noticed that you guys have been supporting the public throughout the day. Your level of commitment to PC Specialist is truly remarkable. It must help to generate a lot of revenue for the company. I hope it is appreciated by the powers that be. I think you're all brilliant!

An update from me (for tomorrow):

Sibun1 kindly suggested the AOC I2490VXQ/BT 23.8" IPS Monitor - 1920 x 1080, which seems pretty decent. Looks like I can get the peripherals for a more reasonable price elsewhere, so please don’t worry about pricing those, although your thoughts on them would be appreciated.

Having a system designed for quietness is absolutely essential, and Sibun1 also mentioned the CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE and the ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND, but I don’t know anything about processor cooling or thermal paste.

Just had a thought. I could use Blender for 3D Animation, which is free. This could alter my budget slightly as I will no longer need cash for 3D computer graphics software. To make it more optimal – at least 8 cores and 8GB of dedicated memory – this might up the overall price a bit, as I’m guessing the hardware requirements for an ADM processor and Nvidia graphics card might have to increase? If so, is there any way to tweak the following spec to make it more affordable and usable. As there are so many options, making a configuration workable is proving difficult. I don't really understand enough about all the different options to make sense of a spec that best suits my needs.

Case
CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 275Q QUIET CASE

Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Eight Core CPU (3.9GHz-4.5GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)

Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!

Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)

Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!

1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE

1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)

Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET (£104)

Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler (£110)

Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING

Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)

Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0 (£18)

USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - Inc. Single Licence

Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language

Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED

Office Software
FREE 30-Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)

Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE

Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)

Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour) (£5)

Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)

Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days

Quantity
1

THANK YOU Nursemorph :)

Blender requirements: https://www.blender.org/download/requirements/
 

Nursemorph

Author Level
Thank you very much for the kind words, most appreciated. In the short-term we probably cost PCS revenue as we regularly tell people to spend less when their specs are too much for their needs....long-term it would result in more repeat customers as they will be happier with better balanced systems and so return in future when buying a new system. :)
 
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