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Nursemorph

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Your Spec:

My understanding of Blender based on what I've read (my knowledge is still limited due to no personal experience of it) is that both GPU and CPU are important but that CPU is the bigger factor. Given budget, I'd be inclined to take the hit on the GPU and get the best CPU...sacrificing CPU will affect things more than GPU. You said you could increase budget but didn't mention exactly how much so not sure how much I need to manouevre.

The spec you posted is spot-on for what you need....lower the GPU to the 1660 Super and that brings the cost down to £1474. If you needed to lower budget further, then dropping the RAM to 16GB 3600MHz will save another £100....you could always buy more RAM at a later date.

The only area where I am still not happy is the case....I am just not convinced by it to be honest. This would be one of the rare occasions where I want to go with the "I have my own case" selection and source a case elsewhere which is an option but depends whether you are willing to do that (you just have to arrange to have it delivered straight to PCS instead of to you) and whether the case I recommend is too big (not much bigger than the 275Q to be honest):

Fractal Design Define S

£15 more but a much better case. If it was me I'd go with the Fractal but then I am a big Fractal fan given my experience with them recently but it is your choice. Also depends on where the budget is too I guess...£15 extra (well, £20 due to postage costs)
 

Nursemorph

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I missed the peripherals part of your post...not yet awake as I've only had 3 mugs of coffee...need at least 5 to wake me fully :ROFLMAO:

Peripherals are a subjective area as it depends what someone is looking for...some look for flashy ones, others, like me, prefer minimal and functional. Also depends on budget...I mean you can get a budget mouse and keyboard for £10 combined. But then there is also the question of Wireless or wired? I prefer wireless as I am 5 feet from my system, some prefer wired and some don't care.

Personally, I use this one: Microsoft K+M Set which I find really comfortable to use but, at nearly £60 including P+P is not cheap. Fnatic do good peripherals but, again, aren't cheap; Logitech are good as well (I always used to use Logitech until the last few years)
 

pinerush

Active member
Your Spec:

My understanding of Blender based on what I've read (my knowledge is still limited due to no personal experience of it) is that both GPU and CPU are important but that CPU is the bigger factor. Given budget, I'd be inclined to take the hit on the GPU and get the best CPU...sacrificing CPU will affect things more than GPU. You said you could increase budget but didn't mention exactly how much so not sure how much I need to manouevre.

The spec you posted is spot-on for what you need....lower the GPU to the 1660 Super and that brings the cost down to £1474. If you needed to lower budget further, then dropping the RAM to 16GB 3600MHz will save another £100....you could always buy more RAM at a later date.

The only area where I am still not happy is the case....I am just not convinced by it to be honest. This would be one of the rare occasions where I want to go with the "I have my own case" selection and source a case elsewhere which is an option but depends whether you are willing to do that (you just have to arrange to have it delivered straight to PCS instead of to you) and whether the case I recommend is too big (not much bigger than the 275Q to be honest):

Fractal Design Define S

£15 more but a much better case. If it was me I'd go with the Fractal but then I am a big Fractal fan given my experience with them recently but it is your choice. Also depends on where the budget is too I guess...£15 extra (well, £20 due to postage costs)

I would have responded sooner but had to sort out something for my Mum. I have never spent so much money on something before, which is partly why I was hesitant in suggesting a budget. If the spec is spot-on, perhaps I should bite the bullet and pay £1600? Does spot-on also mean its future proof?

I would be willing to get the fractal case, so how would I arrange with PC Specialist the "I have my own case" selection? Does bigger mean better? I am slightly confused as the Fractal product description mentions 2 x USB 3.0 ports, and the PC Specialist configurator states 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS. It also mentions top and bottom fans which aren’t included. Is that an issue? What are water cooling compatibility radiators, pumps and reservoirs?

Will the monitor Sibun1 suggested be good for 3D animation?

Looking at the PC Specialist website, which link do I choose for ordering the PC. I obviously use the ‘configure a custom PC’ link, and then I click on the ‘AMD based custom PC’ link. But then there are 6 options. Which one do I choose?

Does PC Specialist provide any NHS discounts? Are any of the online discounts and vouchers any good?

Curious to know why you chose the ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS motherboard as I won’t be doing any gaming?
 

Nursemorph

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So:

Future-proof: There is no way to future proof a computer system. The spec you posted will run Blender well (as far as I can tell from my limited knowledge of it)...will it run Blender in a year's time? 2 years? Who knows...probably even the company behind Blender don't know for sure what their next updated version will entail or what new technology may come along. As long as Blender doesn't significantly change, then I would guess you'd be good for 5+ years, maybe 10.

Case: I believe, when you order, that you simply tell them where you are ordering from, then order from wherever and have it shipped straight to PCS instead of to you. I think it's as simple as that @SpyderTracks could you confirm that please? Thank you

As to the USB bit, I am confused as PCS don't stock that particular case so there wouldn't be any information on the configurator. The case comes with 2 fans (1 front, 1 rear), it has 2 front USB 3.0 and, I think, 6 USB 2.0 via the rear motherboard panel. The water-cooling aspect just means that it can hold a big water cooling system but that is not relevant to you so just ignore it

Monitor: That question I don't know....if you want 1080p quality, then it is fine

Continues in next post (these forums limit lengths of posts)
 

Nursemorph

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Ordering: All you would need to do is click the unique configurable link (in green) at the bottom of the spec you posted, double check everything is correct, then click "proceed" in the top right...make sure Windows is going to be put on the fastest drive (the M2 drive) and ignore the power supply message, click proceed then, on the next page, scroll to the bottom where it says "ready to order" enter your email address and order

NHS discounts: I have no clue...you would probably need to speak to PCS themselves about that as none of us work for PCS.

Motherboard: Don't take any notice of the gaming bit...I chose that motherboard as it is better than the lower one...it has just been released and will allow upgrade to the next generation of CPUs (if necessary). It is just generally a better board
 

Nursemorph

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Brilliant. Thank you Nursemorph. I do not have a unique configurable link, though, for my spec.

Here you go...just click the link at the bottom, double-check the spec then proceed:


Case
Send In Your Own Case
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X Eight Core CPU (3.9GHz-4.5GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
TIMED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND - MON-FRI (BEFORE 2PM)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 21 to 23 working days
Price: £1,552.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/gYJZ47NU5P/
 

Nursemorph

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Regarding "send your own case" if you haven't already done it, on the ready to order page, you will see a section which explains everything about sending your own case, including where you are buying from etc:

CYOC.jpg
 

SpyderTracks

Recluse
Moderator
Case: I believe, when you order, that you simply tell them where you are ordering from, then order from wherever and have it shipped straight to PCS instead of to you. I think it's as simple as that @SpyderTracks could you confirm that please? Thank you
Yes, I believe that’s right, you just make a mention of your PCS order number on the address of the part you’re having shipped to them, and let them know, then have it shipped directly to PCS
 

pinerush

Active member
You are very welcome. Feel free to come back if you have any more questions :)

Hi Nursemorph,

Before I place my order,

What is Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account?

And with the thermal paste, I just need the standard thermal paste for sufficient cooling, not the arctic MX-4 extreme thermal conductivity compound?
 

Nursemorph

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Hi Nursemorph,

Before I place my order,

What is Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account?

And with the thermal paste, I just need the standard thermal paste for sufficient cooling, not the arctic MX-4 extreme thermal conductivity compound?

Essentially it is like a back-up of your system...it's a bit like System Restore in that, if you install an update for example that breaks your Windows, then you can use the Recovery Image to restore it to how it was before the update...that's my understanding of it anyway. And it also means you can use the service unlimited times. Something like that I think...I guess you would need to set it up to regularly back things up.

Thermal paste: No need for the Arctic paste as the cooler comes with high-quality paste anyway
 

pinerush

Active member
Essentially it is like a back-up of your system...it's a bit like System Restore in that, if you install an update for example that breaks your Windows, then you can use the Recovery Image to restore it to how it was before the update...that's my understanding of it anyway. And it also means you can use the service unlimited times. Something like that I think...I guess you would need to set it up to regularly back things up.

Thermal paste: No need for the Arctic paste as the cooler comes with high-quality paste anyway

Just had a terrible thought. You mentioned that the AMD 3800x chip has latency issues. Isn't that the one I ordered or is that just with Ryzen 5?
 

Nursemorph

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Just had a terrible thought. You mentioned that the AMD 3800x chip has latency issues. Isn't that the one I ordered or is that just with Ryzen 5?

You have a good point there and I am not sure where the 3800x currently stands. I went back and revisited this (I first looked at it about a month ago for someone else on here who was looking at an audio system) and I now can't find anything describing the latency issue...in fact I looked at a couple of audio websites that had tested the 3800x (among others) and they don't mention it.

It's not like the chip is unusable because of the slightly worse latency so it's entirely possible that you will never have a problem...however, to be on the safe side, it may be prudent to change your order to the 3700x to be on the safe side (you are allowed to make changes). Performance wise there's not a hug difference between them when it comes to music production
 

Nursemorph

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Done some more research and I am not even convinced there is an issue (or even where I read it). I have just been reading some posts on a forum (it proclaims itself the Number 1 website for Pro Audio) and the inidcation there is that it's the 3900x with the minor latency issue:

"Past AMD cpus had some significant latency issues, (which apparently affected buffer size, to some extent) due to their memory management architecture. AMD's latest cpus seem to be much better in this regard (due to architecture changes specifically made to address those issues,) but some recent tests have suggested that there are still minor issues, esp with the 3900X. - Hence my recent post asking about the 3900XT architecture vs the 3950X.
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But I would say at this point that if there ARE still some minor issues, they are very small and will likely only affect those going for the very smallest buffers, and who's particular systems / sessions are "right on the edge."

I have seen websites that have tested the 3800x on test benches using DAW not mention any issues as well as a few forums so maybe what I read was isolated and not a true picture. I will keep trying to find information. Here's a link to the page on that forum where they discuss latency and AMD:

AMD chip latency discussion
 

pinerush

Active member
Done some more research and I am not even convinced there is an issue (or even where I read it). I have just been reading some posts on a forum (it proclaims itself the Number 1 website for Pro Audio) and the inidcation there is that it's the 3900x with the minor latency issue:

"Past AMD cpus had some significant latency issues, (which apparently affected buffer size, to some extent) due to their memory management architecture. AMD's latest cpus seem to be much better in this regard (due to architecture changes specifically made to address those issues,) but some recent tests have suggested that there are still minor issues, esp with the 3900X. - Hence my recent post asking about the 3900XT architecture vs the 3950X.
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But I would say at this point that if there ARE still some minor issues, they are very small and will likely only affect those going for the very smallest buffers, and who's particular systems / sessions are "right on the edge."

I have seen websites that have tested the 3800x on test benches using DAW not mention any issues as well as a few forums so maybe what I read was isolated and not a true picture. I will keep trying to find information. Here's a link to the page on that forum where they discuss latency and AMD:

AMD chip latency discussion

Is this helpful to see? From Hexus:
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pinerush

Active member
You have a good point there and I am not sure where the 3800x currently stands. I went back and revisited this (I first looked at it about a month ago for someone else on here who was looking at an audio system) and I now can't find anything describing the latency issue...in fact I looked at a couple of audio websites that had tested the 3800x (among others) and they don't mention it.

It's not like the chip is unusable because of the slightly worse latency so it's entirely possible that you will never have a problem...however, to be on the safe side, it may be prudent to change your order to the 3700x to be on the safe side (you are allowed to make changes). Performance wise there's not a hug difference between them when it comes to music production

I have read quite a few articles now that state there is very little difference between the 3700x and 3800x. Apparently, as the difference is so insignificant, they recommend 3700x over the 3800x. Of course, I have no idea as to the validity of these claims.
 
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