Upgrading 10 year old PC - Need Help!

D911

New member
Hello,

I currently have an old HP envy gaming pc running a i7-4770 cpu, its ran it course and served me well but I am clearly out my depth when it comes to trying to build one. I have tried reading up but the more I do the more questions I have.

The computer is just for gaming and I primarily play Football manager the most out of any by far, HOI4, Rimworld, total war are others. Nothing too heavy for graphics but that said I currently have omen 25i 165hz and a omen x 27 240hz monitor that can be paired with it, either one.

My budget is anything possible between £1000-£1500. I could stretch it slightly more but I don't really want too.

I have few questions on my build below and any guidance is greatly appreciated.

1) Am I missing anything blatantly obvious that would be of a benefit to me?
2) I have built this using DDR4, would it be better to use DDR5 am I missing out?
3) Is the graphics card overkill for what I need, could I survive on an integrated gpu and save money or am I better to at least have some form of a gpu?
4) Is 1TB of SSD enough or should I get 2TB? if so would it be better to split it between 1 SSD and 1 HDD?

I appreciate any assistance anyone can offer me on this as I am struggling and don't want to make any silly costly mistakes.

Case
CORSAIR 3000D AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 14-Core Processor i5-14600K (Up to 5.3GHz) 24MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING Z790-PLUS WIFI D4 (LGA1700, DDR4, PCIe 5.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (4 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
12GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
PCS GRAPHICS CARD SUPPORT BRACKET
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SAMSUNG 990 PRO M.2, PCIe 4.0 NVMe (up to 7450MB/R, 6900MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W RM SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
DeepCool AG400 Performance ARGB CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Extra Case Fans
2 x 120mm Thermaltake TOUGHFAN 12 Case Fans
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10/11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
Norton 360 inc. Game Optimizer - Free 90 Day License
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (6 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Price: £1,462.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z690-pc/xvQj9XfCWG/
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Below is the first crack at what I would look at. You definitely want DDR5 and you definitely want to opt for AMD on the CPU at least.

There are some options to consider. With the CPU you could opt for either the 7800X3D or the 7900 CPU. The X3D will have an impact in 3D games. The 7900 would help run the database faster in CM.

The GPU shouldn't have too much impact really. I think the 4060 is fine for your uses. It's not my favourite GPU but it's about the best value as you'll get bells and whistles for the same money as an AMD alternative (7600). Not sure of the resolution of your monitors, you only offered the refresh rate, but as long as you're running 1080p or happy with reduced settings at 1440p you'll be fine. The rest of the build is designed with upgradeability in mind.

I would consider the 4000D airflow over the 3000D, if you can accommodate it. It's better to have a larger case for airflow etc when using expensive core components.

If you want to save some money, you could transfer your current Windows license which would net you around £100 either towards the build or your pocket.

Case
CORSAIR 3000D AIRFLOW MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core CPU (3.8GHz-5.3GHz/40MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 2950MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100x RGB ELITE HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Price: £1,437.00 including VAT and Delivery
Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/AP2tRBwMES/
 

D911

New member
Hello Scott,

Thanks very much for the reply and the advice, it is much appreciated.

Apologies, resolutions on the 165hz is 1920x1080 and 2560 x 1440 on the 240hz monitor.

Out of curiosity on AMD v Intel, is it down to that being better for gaming that you suggest that I use that?

You mentioned the 7900 CPU but for the difference would it be better going with the 7900X or do you feel that 7700 or 7700X would be more value for what I need?

Yeah reduced settings are fine especially with games I play, just having them run smoothly is the priority, but judging by your reply it would be silly to go for a lower end GPU as in 4GB 1650 or even the 8GB 3050?

A few possibly daft questions but the power supply is it better to have a lot more than required? Also extra fans would you not recommend any? Finally the radiator for the cooler does it matter if its on the top or front?

Also I apologise for bombarding you with the above questions!

I built the below with your recommendations in mind, let me know what you think? I have stretched the budget slightly.

Case
CORSAIR 4000D AIRFLOW TEMPERED GLASS GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 7900 12 Core CPU (4.0GHz-5.4GHz/76MB CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING B650-PLUS WIFI (AM5, DDR5, PCIe 4.0, Wi-Fi 6)
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 6000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 4060 - HDMI, DP, LHR
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti / RX 7700 XT AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SOLIDIGM P44 PRO GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 7000MB/sR, 4700MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 2950MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMe SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100x RGB ELITE HIGH PERFORMANCE CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days
Price: £1,550.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/Nn68F508FQ/
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Hello Scott,

Thanks very much for the reply and the advice, it is much appreciated.

Apologies, resolutions on the 165hz is 1920x1080 and 2560 x 1440 on the 240hz monitor.

Out of curiosity on AMD v Intel, is it down to that being better for gaming that you suggest that I use that?

You mentioned the 7900 CPU but for the difference would it be better going with the 7900X or do you feel that 7700 or 7700X would be more value for what I need?

Yeah reduced settings are fine especially with games I play, just having them run smoothly is the priority, but judging by your reply it would be silly to go for a lower end GPU as in 4GB 1650 or even the 8GB 3050?

A few possibly daft questions but the power supply is it better to have a lot more than required? Also extra fans would you not recommend any? Finally the radiator for the cooler does it matter if its on the top or front?

Also I apologise for bombarding you with the above questions!

I built the below with your recommendations in mind, let me know what you think? I have stretched the budget slightly.

Avoid Intel like the plague, it's as simple as that really. The below covers some new reasons why, but I could write a dissertation on why not to opt for Intel nowadays:


7900 is more efficient than the 7900X, same goes for the 7700 vs 7700X.
It's up to yourself really. The 7700 is an 8 Core CPU, very powerful and will knock spots off of previous generation hardware. You'll have a good experience with it. The 7900 offers 50% more cores. In multi-threaded applications, this equates to 50% more performance. FM 2024 is a fairly good multi-threaded game, but only uses multithreads when running database calculations. If you want really fast database calculation then the 7900 will give more.


An example I found. Full mega database, maximum run:

7900 - 9 min 44 sec
7700X - 11 min 36 sec (another minute where 16GB of RAM was used)


Obviously this scales, so less detail/leagues/etc will be faster. You can pay what you like for the performance level you want though.


The 4060 is the least I would opt for. Like I said, those other GPUs are still quite expensive, especially for what you get. Paying a bit more and getting a decent GPU that's modern makes more sense.

You want to aim far higher than you think with the PSU. If you wanted to venture into more powerful gaming or anything down the line, you don't want to have to replace the PSU. You get better efficiency as well, with it running silent at 30%. I typically recommend 1000w as the stock PSU now. It covers all the bases. You pay for it, sure, but in the long run it's well worth it. Where the budget is tight 850w is fine, just need to keep in mind that it won't handle top tier should you want to go down that route later. I wouldn't go any lower.

You don't need extra fans. The AIO has 2 fans which will act as exhaust. More fans doesn't mean more cool, it just means more noise. They need to be considered in total rather than an addon. The 4000D as it is, configured with the H100 will do nicely. PCS typically add an extra exhaust regardless so you won't need anything else. For position, either will be fine for your uses. I would preference top, but it depends on what your space is like above your PC. If it's clear, then top will work well.

Be sure to remove the thermal paste. This isn't a good move.
 
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D911

New member
Hello Scott,

Thank you again, this is brilliant and exactly what I was after. I really appreciate you taking time to come back to me and answering all of the above questions it has helped me greatly.

Noted on the thermal paste as well, thanks.

Hope you have a lovely day!
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Just a heads up on a typo above. I wrote 7900 vs 7900X for the times, I meant to write 7700X :)
 
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