We need more Processor Cooler AIR choice.

[VinJol]

@VinJol for clarity, its generally not a problem to post youtube links to relevant content

But I don't think that video is relevant to be honest. The video description is;

"In this video, I go over one of the ways you can fix old aio or semi-open loop."

So you're starting from a position where the AIO is leaking. In truth, there's no evidence in there that suggests this is common or even likely on that particular style let alone on more modern AIOs.

Ok, thanks to clarify that.

(the obstacle of the language did not allow me at first to note these subtleties)

 

[VinJol]

The Better argument would be WHY go with an Intel CPU?

I know... with AMD CPU (rysen 5000 and 3000 serie) you have already the PCIe gen.4

Notice that on this subject, we are still free to make the "wrong" (subjective) choice.
However it's an other debate.

But I'll bounce back by saying why not also let me make the "wrong" choice of one of the best air CPU cooler.

 

[Gavras]

I know... with r9 5000 and 3000 serie, you have already the PCIe gen.4

Notice that on this subject, we are still free to make the "wrong" choice.
However it's an other debate.

But I'll bounce back by saying why not let me make the wrong (subjective) choice of an air cooler. I'll bounce back by saying why not let me make the "wrong" (subjective) choice of one of the best air cooler.

Yep it’s your money and your choice.

A bit like Yellow snow, you can advise people not to eat it, but they do.

You can advise people, but....

 

[SpyderTracks]

As said previously, on any i9 or Ryzen 3900x / 5900x and upwards, air cooling is not sufficient to maintain boost clocks, you'll lose the optimum single core boost speeds.

 

[Scott]

I know... with AMD CPU (rysen 5000 and 3000 serie) you have already the PCIe gen.4

Notice that on this subject, we are still free to make the "wrong" (subjective) choice.
However it's an other debate.

But I'll bounce back by saying why not also let me make the "wrong" choice of one of the best air CPU cooler.

Absolutely spot on. Noone here will ever argue in that regard. When you put forward points of contention, we will always query/answer those, but we will never say you cannot do something, just that it would be unwise.

Ironically, an Intel chip would be even more reason to go down the AIO route IMO. They are toasty at the best of times (See my Sig). I wouldn't touch an air cooler for my system, especially with the fact of where it is located. To have an aircooler running efficiently you basically need it open to the elements. If you had no covering case at all and had a chassis that was exposed to continued fresh air then nothing would touch an air cooler. The difficulty comes when you put it in a box, under a desk, against a wall with the sun beating on it.

You're basically comparing a ceiling fan, that circulates warm air in a room, to an external aircon unit.

 

[VinJol]

Absolutely spot on. Noone here will ever argue in that regard. When you put forward points of contention, we will always query/answer those, but we will never say you cannot do something, just that it would be unwise.

Ironically, an Intel chip would be even more reason to go down the AIO route IMO. They are toasty at the best of times (See my Sig). I wouldn't touch an air cooler for my system, especially with the fact of where it is located. To have an aircooler running efficiently you basically need it open to the elements. If you had no covering case at all and had a chassis that was exposed to continued fresh air then nothing would touch an air cooler. The difficulty comes when you put it in a box, under a desk, against a wall with the sun beating on it.

You're basically comparing a ceiling fan, that circulates warm air in a room, to an external aircon unit.

Therefore depending on the ambient temperature.
So if you live in Floride, it's a very bad point for AIR cooling... but a very goog point if you live in Alaska. 😁

I have see some opened (and expensive) fantasy case... great looking, but takes up a lot of space.

 

[Scott]

Therefore depending on the ambient temperature.
So if you live in Floride, it's a very bad point for AIR cooling... but a very goog point if you live in Alaska. 😁

I have see some opened (and expensive) fantasy case... great looking, but takes up a lot of space.

Depends if you put the heating on while living in Alaska or not

 

[VinJol]

Depends if you put the heating on while living in Alaska or not

You chose how much.
In Alaska they are happy when they rise to 15°C.
In Floride they are happy when they have only 30°C.

 

[Martinr36]

You chose how much.
In Alaska they are happy when they rise to 15°C.
In Floride they are happy when they have only 30°C.

Somewhere between the 2 is just nice

 

[SpyderTracks]

Somewhere between the 2 is just nice

Most houses are between 19 and 21c weather it's central heating in Alaska or air conditioning in Florida.

 

[VinJol]

Most houses are between 19 and 21c weather it's central heating in Alaska or air conditioning in Florida.

The subject drifts completely, but I would like to know which of the two situations requires the most energy. Heating or air conditionning?

 

[Gavras]

The subject drifts completely, but I would like to know which of the two situations requires the most energy. Heating or air conditionning?

Depends on kWh used.

which in turn depends on the delta trying be achieved.

 

[VinJol]

 

[Scott]

Check out every one of Linus's builds, personal builds, competition builds, etc.... they're all water cooled. Every system pushed to any level is watercooled.

The air cooled PC is the same as anti-vaxxing to me now. People will find whatever they can to try and prop up their point. Air cooling is fine, you won't have any issues aircooling a PC. It would simply perform better for longer watercooled.

 

[ubuysa]

Check out every one of Linus's builds, personal builds, competition builds, etc.... they're all water cooled. Every system pushed to any level is watercooled.

The air cooled PC is the same as anti-vaxxing to me now. People will find whatever they can to try and prop up their point. Air cooling is fine, you won't have any issues aircooling a PC. It would simply perform better for longer watercooled.

The thing is, these Internet 'influencers' have to find stuff to post about and when it's a slow news day they have to go digging for stuff to post about.....

 

[VinJol]

@Scott : Linus is a fanboy of watercooler (aesthetic choice), and even him recognizes that there are points in favor of air cooling.
Competition build are expansive, and based on a full liquid systeme (not just a simple watercooling alone). Not suitable for all audiences (because you need advanced overcloking skills to take full advantage of all the benefits).

The both video take a neutral point of view.
Contrary to some fanboys here, they do not say that one is better than the other in every way.

I wonder if you did watch the second video? Or you just reacted without take this time, because your personal opinion is made and will never change whatever the facts. You could show a little of bayesianism or zetetic.

The two options are aviable and have advantages and disadvantages.
Let us choose which advantages we prefer to have and which disadvantages we are prepared to have in return.

 

[Gavras]

@Scott : Linus is a fanboy of watercooler (aesthetic choice), and even him recognizes that there are points in favor of air cooling.
Competition build are expansive, not user frendly and full liquid systeme (not just a simple watercooling alone).

The both video take a neutral point of view.
Contrary to some fanboys here, they do not say that one is better than the other in every way.

I wonder if you did watch the second video? Or you just reacted without take this time, because your personal opinion is made and will never change whatever the facts. You could show a little of bayesianism or zetetic.

The two options are aviable and have advantages and disadvantages.
Let us choose which advantages we prefer to have and which disadvantages we are prepared to have in return.

Sorry but you are bordering on trolling.

I am not a fanboy on anything, I bounce between different tech like a flea on a dog.

people can choose air but need to understand at least school level physics.

there are two key thought processes used, budget versus capability requirement,


yes there are disadvantages and advantages. However a disadvantage of having bacteria versus ability to cool better is not a viable advantage disadvantage.

my reasons for going closed system

• It provides me personally with a fairly constant cooling level 365 days of year with office door open or closed.

I have had far more fans fail (noise etc).

fans on cpu are more susceptible to dust and means more maintenance from a cleaning point of view - dust impacts movement of air over fan blades, more so on smaller blades.

with my CPU I could have went air but I know from experience that for ME liquid is giving me a system I can leave to do it’s own thing.

everyone has the choice to go with what they want.

everyone has their own requirements.

I have not seen any instances of people not being given a choice.


basic science,

a CPU air fan does the heat exchange by taking heat from CPU and putting inside the case.

a liquid system moves the heat from cpu to the external fans

an air cooler takes air from inside the case to cool the cpu

a water cooler takes air from outside the case to cool the liquid.


I tend to use science and experience rather than social media stuff.

 

[VinJol]

@Gavras:
The video are more long than the time they have take to post a reply.
And look at the moderator @ubuysa reply. If that is not trooling what it is?

Sorry guys, but some of you are not objective at all.

But, I take your argument in favor of watercooling @Gravas (with a touch of salt, because for me you are a guy on a social madia)
Science is based on fact and experimentation... and we have some report of fact connecting to experimentation on the 2nd video.

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However, you write "I have not seen any instances of people not being given a choice"
I'm reply: it's about the purchase option on this website, not what you may do by yourself.

The website may legitimately prefer to sell certain items more than others. The consumer can legitimately make the request to complete the choice with alternatives. The seller is not obliged to accede to the request. The consumer is not under the obligation to get supplies only from them.

Exemple pcspecialist left to UK consumers the option to "send in your own case".

 

[ubuysa]

@Gavras:
The video are more long than the time they have take to post a reply.
And look at the moderator @ubuysa reply. If that is not trooling what it is?

Sorry guys, but some of you are not objective at all.

But, I take your argument in favor of watercooling @Gravas (with a touch of salt, because for me you are a guy on a social madia)
Science is based on fact and experimentation... and we have some report of fact connecting to experimentation on the 2nd video.

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However, you write "I have not seen any instances of people not being given a choice"
I'm reply: it's about the purchase option on this website, not what you may do by yourself.

The website may legitimately prefer to sell certain items more than others. The consumer can legitimately make the request to complete the choice with alternatives. The seller is not obliged to accede to the request. The consumer is not under the obligation to get supplies only from them.

Exemple pcspecialist left to UK consumers the option to "send in your own case".

What?! If you think my post is trolling and yours aren't then you're in serious need of help.

 

[VinJol]

If I follow the line of reasoning to this conclusion, therefore it's an advise against using H100x (because it is as inefficient as the NH-D15). So the logic should always to recommend to start on the H115i for CPU like the R7 5800x. And change the case if you can't put in a rad 280mm.