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Windows Update 1903

Shepard

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Hey you all,

we had more and more questions about the new Update that Microsoft seems to force people to install. I did it at home on my own laptop and had no audio, some customer mentioned error messages in regards to IRST and another customer I talked to is having Adobe issues and crashes since updating.
Therefore, please be advised to at least to a full backup on an EXTERNAL device before you want to go ahead with the update. So far, the only thing that seems to help is a fresh install of Windows directly with the 1903 version, which means a wipe of your C: drive and potential data loss.

This is not an official statement yet and we haven't heard back from MS directly, just a friendly nudge to avoid it for a bit.

 
Hey you all,

we had more and more questions about the new Update that Microsoft seems to force people to install. I did it at home on my own laptop and had no audio, some customer mentioned error messages in regards to IRST and another customer I talked to is having Adobe issues and crashes since updating.
Therefore, please be advised to at least to a full backup on an EXTERNAL device before you want to go ahead with the update. So far, the only thing that seems to help is a fresh install of Windows directly with the 1903 version, which means a wipe of your C: drive and potential data loss.

This is not an official statement yet and we haven't heard back from MS directly, just a friendly nudge to avoid it for a bit.
I updated icue and windows and my frame rates dropped in half and were erratic I rolled back and it went back to normal not sure which one caused the issues but all ok now.
 

miklil

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Did alsk a fresh install of the update and everything is working now, when I did just a update my system had stability issues.
 
I don't know if it's coincidental but the Windows Update seems to be messed up for NVidia drivers. In order to update to the latest install package from Nvidia I had to do the following........

Disable internet
Disable automatic Hardware Driver installation
Reboot in Safe Mode
Run DDU
Boot into regular mode
Install Nvidia package

I was at this for HOURS using multiple combinations of the above until I finally got it working. Each time I uninstalled, Win10 would automatically install some weird driver for the GPU that when I tried to run the installer it came up saying I needed a DDE version of the driver (or some nonsense like that) and couldn't use the installer package. If I uninstalled, it would immediately re-install.... even if I checked delete driver and had my internet turned off. I had to disable the hardware driver installation to get round that little chestnut.

I genuinely thought there was some sort of configuration error with my Windows installation until I built a machine for a friend, started from fresh and was met with EXACTLY the same scenario with it and a 1660 Ti.

Windows is automatically installing the NVidia control panel etc as well, I don't recall that happening before but I could be wrong. It's a complete mess from them. People without that sort of technical knowhow would never in a million years have managed it IMO.

BTW, I initially started with 1803.... I read somewhere that 1903 was required for the latest GeForce Experience so I upgraded and was met with exactly the same problem so it doesn't seem particularly version dependent.
 

Shepard

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When I installed it on my laptop at home I needed about two days to get the audio working again ... 🎼
 

ubuysa

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What we don't know is whether Microsoft are making changes without properly consulting third party vendors or whether the third party vendors drag their heels.

Although Windows installs Nvidia drivers the driver code will come from Nvidia. It'll be the same for other drivers too.

Microsoft and third party vendors need to move forward hand in hand, mostly they do but when they foul up we all notice.....

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What we don't know is whether Microsoft are making changes without properly consulting third party vendors or whether the third party vendors drag their heels.

Although Windows installs Nvidia drivers the driver code will come from Nvidia. It'll be the same for other drivers too.

Microsoft and third party vendors need to move forward hand in hand, mostly they do but when they foul up we all notice.....

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From what I remember, after browsing 100s of forums/threads/dark net pages, windows installs the DCH version of the driver as default. Once that's in, you cannot install the standard game version from the installer. Unfortunately, DDU does nothing to combat this as whenever you reboot it re-installs the DCH version as soon as you are back (By the time the 500mb Nvidia installer has extracted at least). I thought I had cracked it by not rebooting, but it still detected me updating a driver and stepped in front with its version first. I then disabled automatic hardware driver installation, but it still installed the NVidia control panel software regardless so I had to ALSO kill my internet access and I think I disabled a couple of services too. Trying to get in front of the Windoze update is an absolute nightmare. The difficulty I found was to prioritise the NVidia installer over the Windows one. Thanks to all the non-configurable services within Win10 now it's a maze trying to kill the processes that interfere with the driver installation. The fact that I had to tell it not to automatically install drivers AND disable my internet is beyond belief.

I seen a video years ago of a kid picking up easter eggs, placing them in a basket and each time they bent down to pick up another one dropped out the basket. That's exactly how I felt.


The Nvidia FAQ on the drivers gives an insight to the complete convoluted nonsense they have created....


I'd love to see anyone install "GeForce Experience" with the standard windows DCH version. That's what kicked off the issues for me in the first place :ROFLMAO:
 

ubuysa

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It sounds like a nightmare! The DCH driver is still an Nvida written driver though, so we still don't know who fouled up - they probably don't either.
That sounds like a pretty skilful workaround however... (y)
 

ubuysa

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It's safe, and it never was unstable.

Don't update in place however (so don't let Windows update upgrade to 1903). Download 1903 and clean install it.
 
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