XMP profiles not showing in BIOS on Recoil 17
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BlessedSquirrel
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Ah, didn’t realise that, thanksYes, I believe Alstone and Tongfang are basically the same company.
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BlessedSquirrel
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That’s what the laptop supports, yeah, but you need RAM that’s compatible with autoclocking
like this:
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Ekans2011
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I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Alstone builds TongFang chassis under license, similar to how Mercedes produces small displacement engines heavily based on Nissan-Renault designs, with Mercedes components and labeled as Mercedes.
BlessedSquirrel
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Gotcha, there's definitely a connection of some form, weather TongFang have rebranded entirely, or as you say, some kind of licensing agreement.I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Alstone builds TongFang chassis under license, similar to how Mercedes produces small displacement engines heavily based on Nissan-Renault designs, with Mercedes components and labeled as Mercedes.
Ekans2011
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Yeah, the OP ordered without OS: I studied German for three years at school and remember next to nothing, but betriebssystem is operating system.
Curious question for my own knowledge closet
Is auto-clocking a new thing? I'm sure my Octane I had to go into the BIOS to change the profile. IIRC I could do next to hee haw on the RAM outside of choose the pre-configured profile (I don't recall if it was an XMP thing, I think it was back to the olden days of the hardened profile on the RAM itself). Is it basically taking that previous method and automatically incorporating it rather than having to select it?
Being able to lower the clocks/timings to bare minimum for the chipset/CPU was always handy for fault finding so wondered if the automation side could be switched off or not? Apologies for the slight hijack, just curious of the modern workings.
Is auto-clocking a new thing? I'm sure my Octane I had to go into the BIOS to change the profile. IIRC I could do next to hee haw on the RAM outside of choose the pre-configured profile (I don't recall if it was an XMP thing, I think it was back to the olden days of the hardened profile on the RAM itself). Is it basically taking that previous method and automatically incorporating it rather than having to select it?
Being able to lower the clocks/timings to bare minimum for the chipset/CPU was always handy for fault finding so wondered if the automation side could be switched off or not? Apologies for the slight hijack, just curious of the modern workings.
Ekans2011
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Let's wait for @BlessedSquirrel, but from what I've been able to read around, RAM modules are generally of two profile types: plug and play (with autoclock) suitable for beginners or systems with locked BIOS and XMP/EXPO suitable for enthusiasts or full unlocked systems that allow manual settings via BIOS.
I'm sure Spyder will explain it much better than me, and more importantly, in your language. 🤣
The Kingston Fury Impact 32GB 6000Mhz RAM kit used by the OP is an XMP profile type, whereas the 5600Mhz kit is a plug-and-play profile type.
So, if I understand well, the 6000MHz kit will not autoclock and can only be tuned through an unlocked BIOS, but the 5600MHz kit will automatically set to the maximum frequency allowed by the system without the need for manual settings.
I'm sure Spyder will explain it much better than me, and more importantly, in your language. 🤣
The Kingston Fury Impact 32GB 6000Mhz RAM kit used by the OP is an XMP profile type, whereas the 5600Mhz kit is a plug-and-play profile type.
So, if I understand well, the 6000MHz kit will not autoclock and can only be tuned through an unlocked BIOS, but the 5600MHz kit will automatically set to the maximum frequency allowed by the system without the need for manual settings.
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BlessedSquirrel
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That’s exactly right.
It is very possible if the OS hasn’t been clean installed then perhaps the RAM clocking section of Control Center isn’t being correctly displayed as the OS isn’t configured
Im not certain, I just know on previous models it’s always been autoclocking RAM sticks.
It may be best for @M.H to verify the RAM control with PCS
Miguelonso
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What RAM clocking section are you referring to? When I used Control Center there was never any option for tuning/clocking/tweaking RAM. Even in an unlocked BIOS you can't overclock RAM higher than 5600mhz on these boards. Not even sure you can overclock slower RAM up to 5600mhz. I followed a guide extensively and it simply doesn't work. Only drawback with my Recoil 17, but that's only because gamers say 6000mhz is ideal for gaming.
My BIOS version is N.1.10A11 EC Version 1.17.
Could somebody tell me if this is the most up to date BIOS and EC. I have the 14900hx which is known to have high Core VID spikes which could damage the CPU. It would be very comforting to know if I have everything up to date.
BlessedSquirrel
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Is this a PCSpecialist machine? Can you copy and paste your full specs from the order page?
Miguelonso
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Miguelonso
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Had a Medion before but I couldn't get the XMG Neo to flash and ended up bricking the laptop. They were really cool about it though. People shouldn't have to flash a BIOS to stop their machine thermal throttling. This, they understood. I had to pay Pcspecialist extra to stop the thermal throttling, as even undervolting the CPU wouldn't get rid of the constant throttling.
Ekans2011
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That is normal; different SIs have different BIOS and are most likely incompatible with each other.
NEVER flash a BIOS unless it is provided by your SI.
Unfortunately, that is mostly an INTEL issue, as the 14th generation is DOA (yes, including the mobile chips, which are the same flawed silicon wafer as the desktop chips), and the external liquid cooler was required to prevent that, despite being marked as optional.
Miguelonso
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I learned that the hard way. I had a meltdown when it happened, end of days stuff. Very fortunate to get the refund.
I understand the Intel stuff, to a degree. It really takes the biscuit when the ads say unlocked HX CPU, when they know fully well that it's locked down. I would only recommend a ryzen laptop I think. Although I love my machine, the need for the cooler makes portability non existent. It's more of a gaming station than a laptop. You cannot have this laptop on your lap because of the cooler. Performance is awesome though, and the girlfriend is happier that I no longer game when at hers.
Any idea how I edit my post?
Ekans2011
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The CPU is unlocked, but on laptops, everything is determined by the SI: some more premium brands write their own BIOS, which is usually unlocked, while others simply utilise the OEM's BIOS, which is almost always locked.
The Recoil is actually a DTR rather than a laptop, hence it's not designed to be portable if its full potential is required; it works as a laptop, but the PLs (and performances) must be heavily reduced to avoid thermal throttling.
