Advice on configuration before ordering

[SeaBut]

Hi,
Configured this build for my son. He games at 1440p, 165hz.
He also does a lot of compiling and rendering.
What are your opinions on the balance of this build to work for 1440p gaming and also for productivity/rendering?
Any suggestions to improve on my configuration very welcome.
Max budget would be 3700. His main aim is to increase the speed of map/level compiling.
For multi- core applications, 5900x or the new 12th gen Intel CPU's?

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[sck451]

I guess the key question is what is he compiling and rendering? Video, CAD models, something else? And is this the top of the budget?

 

[Scott]

I would lower the GPU down to the 3070. He won't see any tangible benefit with the 3080. It'll just cost more money and use more power. Better to save the cash now and upgrade down the line with the next monitor upgrade. 3070 has him nicely covered for 1440p (Hoping that by 2k you meant 1440p and not 1080p).

2k actually refers to 1080p due to the 1920 horizontal pixels (2k)
Similar to 4k referring to the horizontal pixel count of 3840 (min)

1440p is actually 2.5k but if you were to round to the nearest value then it would be 3k (which falls better in line I guess).

Anyway, I digress....

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[SeaBut]

Thanks for the advice Scott. Apologies, I did mean 1440p, 165hz. Felt myself that 3070 would be sufficient at this point, but was thinking the extra vram on the 3080 might give a bit more headoom for future/ more demanding games.

 

[sck451]

He renders models in blender, but his main aim is to increase the compiling speed. He creates a lot of levels and maps in various games and says that they are very slow when he is compiling them.
His max budget would be 3,700.
His current system is : r5 3600, 2070 super, 32 GB 3200 ram, b450 mobo.

Is the current system a PCS one? I can't help but feel you could upgrade that for much less money and get the same result. For instance, you could go for a 5900X and spend in the region of £500, maybe even less. A 2070S is still very capable, though you could always upgrade that as well. That seems more prudent to me; you have a solid base system there and shouldn't need to spend several thousand pounds on upgrading it.

 

[SeaBut]

Current system is from cyberpower. Living in Ireland and PCS most straightforward to import from after Brexit.
Definitely cheaper to upgrade current pc, but he is buying it himself and wants to upgrade the CPU and GPU at a minimum.
He wants a 3070 at least and new CPU. Current mobo is b450 Tomahawk max. Would mobo need to be upgraded?
Which is better in your opinion, the 5900x or something like the i7 12900k.
Changing to Intel would definitely need the mobo changed, so if you take everything into account, maybe he is right to start over with a new pc?

 

[sck451]

Current system is from cyberpower. Living in Ireland and PCS most straightforward to import from after Brexit.
Definitely cheaper to upgrade current pc, but he is buying it himself and wants to upgrade the CPU and GPU at a minimum.
He wants a 3070 at least and new CPU. Current mobo is b450 Tomahawk max. Would mobo need to be upgraded?
Which is better in your opinion, the 5900x or something like the i7 12900k.
Changing to Intel would definitely need the mobo changed, so if you take everything into account, maybe he is right to start over with a new pc?

We can only give advice on PCS systems on this website, unfortunately. Other forums could give advice on how to upgrade the existing PC.

If you're buying a new system, Intel is the best choice right now. The 12900K is a big improvement over the 3600 (and a small improvement over the 5900X). The 3070 is a decent improvement over the 2070S, but not precisely enormous.

 

[Scott]

Thanks for the advice Scott. Apologies, I did mean 1440p, 165hz. Felt myself that 3070 would be sufficient at this point, but was thinking the extra vram on the 3080 might give a bit more headoom for future/ more demanding games.

I wouldn't to be honest. You can of course, as it's your money at the end of the day, but I would see it as a waste personally. You could save the money right now and look to upgrade in the future with a monitor upgrade or etc.

You can't really future proof the GPU as it's always the first thing to be changed out for the most modern alternative. For example, the 4080 is touted to be twice as powerful as the 3080. You can't future proof that sort of gulf in power, you just need to be ready with the saved cash in hand when it comes time to purchase. That's the only way to be truly future proof.

The main message to anyone, that we try to put across, is to build a good foundation that can be upgraded over time. Having a good solid base that allows for a wee GPU upgrade or 2 down the line is the best course of action.

 

[Scott]

Current system is from cyberpower. Living in Ireland and PCS most straightforward to import from after Brexit.
Definitely cheaper to upgrade current pc, but he is buying it himself and wants to upgrade the CPU and GPU at a minimum.
He wants a 3070 at least and new CPU. Current mobo is b450 Tomahawk max. Would mobo need to be upgraded?
Which is better in your opinion, the 5900x or something like the i7 12900k.
Changing to Intel would definitely need the mobo changed, so if you take everything into account, maybe he is right to start over with a new pc?

Although the B450 can technically support the Zen3 chips I would never recommend it. I would always opt for a B550 as an absolute minimum, with the X570 favoured.

There's a lot to consider with your current build as well, rather than just the main players.

What case is it, what PSU, what frequency is the RAM... etc. It could have a bearing. The GPU carries across well though, and may be worth even considering a build without a GPU and just moving that across.

It depends what you wanted to do with the current system, whether you were going to sell it on or etc. The Windows license is another consideration as you could transfer the license instead of paying for a new one. This would leave the current system without a license though so any purchaser would need notified of this.

 

[sck451]

Fair enough. I'd fully agree with @Scott's build (personally I'd stick with the 2070S, though I can see the argument for selling the existing build as a complete system). Though if Blender work is a significant aspect, I'd suggest it's one case where the 12900K is actually a sensible purchase, as it does use the extra E cores, unlike gaming.

(Personally I wouldn't feel qualms about putting a 5900X on a B450 board. Perhaps it's not ideal in that you won't get 100% of the performance of the CPU, but - depending on the specific board and the available BIOS - you won't be far off and to my mind that's still good value compared to buying a new motherboard and doing all that work of rebuilding the PC. But that's probably irrelevant, from the sounds of it, if a new system is the way you're going to go.)

 

[SeaBut]

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[sck451]

That's pretty no-compromise! Looks an awesome system.

What will you be using it for? What monitor(s) will you be using? Is it a €3000 budget?

 

[SeaBut]

Max budget is 3700 euro. It's for my son. He currently has a 1440p, 165hz monitor ( MSI Mag 27" curved monitor). He is considering upgrading to 4k in the future, hence the 3080 over the 3070.

He also plays vr games on the Vive and uses blender for modelling, and also builds/compiles game maps/levels on hammer, which is why I went for the i9 over the 12700, thinking that the extra cores would be better for blender.

I did consider a build around the r9 5900x, but the general consensus seems to be that the Intel 12th gen are a better choice.

Also I added 3 extra case fans because the case only comes with 3 intake fans. Are the extra fans necessary?

Final configuration is posted above.

 

[sck451]

Max budget is 3700 euro. It's for my son. He currently has a 1440p, 165hz monitor ( MSI Mag 27" curved monitor). He is considering upgrading to 4k in the future, hence the 3080 over the 3070.

He also plays vr games on the Vive and uses blender for modelling, and also builds/compiles game maps/levels on hammer, which is why I went for the i9 over the 12700, thinking that the extra cores would be better for blender.

I did consider a build around the r9 5900x, but the general consensus seems to be that the Intel 12th gen are a better choice.

Also I added 3 extra case fans because the case only comes with 3 intake fans. Are the extra fans necessary?

Personally I'd spec for the monitor I had now and only upgrade to match a new display. That way you'll get better value for money and be able to buy a stronger. So I'd get the 3070, but I can see why you'd go for the 3080, as with the money left in your budget you're already most of the way to something like the M28Q as a decent 4K display.

The 12th gen option is definitely a good one. There's an argument for Ryzen still for this kind of workload even at the end of its life because it's so much more power efficient and therefore easier to cool, but I'd definitely be going for the 12900K in your shoes.

The extra fans are unnecessary, but will (a) not be harmful and (b) be pretty and (c) may help with thermals a little bit. So why not!?

 

[SeaBut]

Thanks for the input. Was trying to get my son to go for the 3070 and i7 12700 to save him some money and to reduce the power draw on the system, but it's his money and he wants to spend it all, lol.

 

[SlimCini]

FYI don't buy a gpu from pcspecialist as they're massively overpriced at the moment. Branded gigabyte 3070ti is on at £690 at the moment, Asus TUF frequently £700.....yet the unknown brand 3070ti from pcs is £870.

 

[SeaBut]

Thanks for the heads up, but I am ordering from Ireland and PCS are the only ones currently delivering to Ireland.
Local companies in Ireland are even more expensive.

 

[Scott]

FYI don't buy a gpu from pcspecialist as they're massively overpriced at the moment. Branded gigabyte 3070ti is on at £690 at the moment, Asus TUF frequently £700.....yet the unknown brand 3070ti from pcs is £870.

Try to keep in mind this is a PCS forum. Suggesting not to buy products from a supplier on the support forum from said supplier using a negative slant isn't really on. It's bordering on malice with the negative angle being presented from you, which is against the rules. I get your point, and I agree with the option available, but please don't paint PCS as doing anything wrong, they are simply pricing based on the competitive market.

Now, before you say you aren't saying anything with any malice, it's grey enough that it can be construed in that way, regardless of your intention from it. There are far more palatable ways to make your point on this forum and this sort of mannerism has been highlighted to you before.

 

[SeaBut]

Hi all,
Apologies for this, but changed my mind on the spec again, and I am looking for your opinions on the new spec.
Configured this pc for my son. Max budget is 3700 euros. Will be used to game on a MSI Mag 27" 1440p, 165hz curved monitor. He also plays vr games on the Vive, compiles maps in Hammer and occasionally does blender projects.
Tried to tell him 3070 is sufficient for 1440p, but he is paying for it himself and is insisting on the 3080.
Posted a previous thread about a 12900 and also a 12700k build, but was concerned about thermals and power efficiency, and also reports of bowing/bending issues with the z690 and the 12700 not seating properly on the mobo, so have switched to a R9 5900x build.
Are the gen 4 nvmes a bit overkill? Would they over much performance improvements in blender to justify the premium over gen 3.
Would I be better getting a b550 mobo and adding higher capacity, gen 3 nvmes?
Also considered the Corsair icue 5000x case. Which is the better option in your opinion, the Lancool 215 or the 5000x?

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[SpyderTracks]

Hi all,
Apologies for this, but changed my mind on the spec again, and I am looking for your opinions on the new spec.
Configured this pc for my son. Max budget is 3700 euros. Will be used to game on a MSI Mag 27" 1440p, 165hz curved monitor. He also plays vr games on the Vive, compiles maps in Hammer and occasionally does blender projects.
Tried to tell him 3070 is sufficient for 1440p, but he is paying for it himself and is insisting on the 3080.
Posted a previous thread about a 12900 and also a 12700k build, but was concerned about thermals and power efficiency, and also reports of bowing/bending issues with the z690 and the 12700 not seating properly on the mobo, so have switched to a R9 5900x build.
Are the gen 4 nvmes a bit overkill? Would they over much performance improvements in blender to justify the premium over gen 3.
Would I be better getting a b550 mobo and adding higher capacity, gen 3 nvmes?
Also considered the Corsair icue 5000x case. Which is the better option in your opinion, the Lancool 215 or the 5000x?

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Thanks in advance for your opinions

I would personally go for a much better case, that's quite budget oriented. The 5000x is far more suited to the build. Case is of paramount importance to the overall cooling ability.

Be aware that that Asus wifi card is insanely expensive, and only worthwhile if you have an AX compatible wireless network which almost no one does as they cost multiple hundreds of pounds. It is very fast though if you do have an AX wifi network. There is the argument that it's more futureproof, but at the cost difference over the standard Intel AX200, I'd suggest there isn't that much in it.

Other than that though, it's the build I would choose as well, the difference in performance between the 12700k and the 5900x is very minimal, but there are lots of benefits to many other aspects, heat, power, but also motherboard quality.