Advise on new gaming desktop

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Brunomatost

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Oussebon said:
I've not read the whole thread, so apols if missing something, but taking a quick scan:



Just to be clear:
1) You shouldn't buy a GPU today on the basis that you'll keep it for 5 years. You might, depends what future games you play, but it's not good as a specific strategy
2) The RX570 is great value, but quite mid-range these days. It will play demanding modern titles medium-high. Some titles can be surprisingly demanding like the new Borderlands:
https://www.pcgamer.com/uk/borderla...settings-benchmarks-and-performance-analysis/
Where despite the art style, you're still looking at medium-high at best.
3) It's not well placed for VR gaming. It can do it, but it's not ideal. For that, ideally 1660 ti +. If your VR isn't VR gaming, then you might be fine.

For that setup, you may as well keep your current monitors. It wouldn't be worth the ~£100-£130 to just buy a slightly different/better variation of the same.
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Thank you for taking your time to read and for your comment :)

The idea is to get a desktop that will run for a while without me upgrading it, however thats why Im moving to desktop once again, so when I start seeing the computer is starting to not keep up I can just upgrade some things.

I ended up paying for the RX580 since it was £50 more and it has 4K (which i wont use for now) but might as well.

So the plan is, depending on the monitors prices to get something like a 27 inch curved monitor to replace the 2 I am currently using, this will depend on price and I also need to know what to look for so I look into prices(or feel free to suggest some).

Then once I upgrade the monitor will keep the rx580 for as long as it hold on to my gaming needs which I think it will last at least a good 2 years, if not, youll see me again posting in the forum asking for opinion :p

Thank you All for your help so far, youve been amazing
 
Oussebon

Oussebon

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Brunomatost said:
4K (which i wont use for now) but might as well.
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What? Who on earth told you that :) It doesn't "have" 4k any more than the RX 570 does.

Both cards support 4k monitors.
Exactly display outputs will depend on the specific model of GPU PCS are selling, but an 'equivalent' 570 and 580 model would usually support the same displays and resolutions. But essentially there's no difference.

Needless to say, both are wholly inappropriate for 4k gaming.

Brunomatost said:
So the plan is, depending on the monitors prices to get something like a 27 inch curved monitor to replace the 2 I am currently using, this will depend on price and I also need to know what to look for so I look into prices(or feel free to suggest some).
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If that is the plan, then you really do want to buy a 1440p monitor. It's not so much the size of the screen that determines what you can 'fit' on it, but the resolution. For productivity, a single 27" 1080p monitor will leave you worse off than a pair of 24" screens.

Consider the AOC Q3279VWFD8 - It's a good IPS budget monitor, which is great for your image work. It's fine for casual gaming. And it has freesync. Being 1440p, you can fit a lot more onto it.

The 570 and 580 are not really 1440p gaming cards though; certainly not these days. And running games at 1080p on a large monitor might be visibly sub-par.
 
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It was on the PCS website when you choose the graphics card and press the "I" for info on the right side this shows, anyhow, its ordered now so I just have to stick with it for now.

32' might be a bit too big for me, I'm looking into something up to £230 maximum 27 inches(preferbly) or 24 so I can match with one of my actual.

The question is, IF(big IF) I bought the monitor now which would be better so I wouldn't need a monitor in the future ?

Also, I never had an "Adrive" before and to be honest only heard about it yesterday when I was ordering it, for what ive been reading it works like an SSD, my question is, should I instal the OS in there or in my HDD, and Im assuming the games should be installed there for a better/faster performance ?

Thank You
 
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That's total garbage. Sorry, PCS.

As I'm sure PCS well know, a 580 is no more a 4k gaming card than a 570 is:
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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/evga-gtx-1650-sc-ultra-black/25.html

~3fps difference does not constitute a 4k gaming card(!). Also 30fps isn't really a very nice PC gaming experience and would somewhat undermine the point of 4k...

You can amend orders after they're placed.

32' might be a bit too big for me, I'm looking into something up to £230 maximum 27 inches.

The question is, IF(big IF) I bought the monitor now which would be better so I wouldn't need a monitor in the future ?
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Frankly the solution would be to spend less on the PC and more on the monitor, since you're going to upgrade the PC periodically anyway, and you'll want to keep the monitor for several iterations of PC upgrades. Monitor tech seems to move much more slowly than PC tech.

I'll list some monitor models in a different post to explain and to stop this post getting too confused.

Brunomatost said:
Also, I never had an "Adrive" before and to be honest only heard about it yesterday when I was ordering it, for what ive been reading it works like an SSD, my question is, should I instal the OS in there or in my HDD, and Im assuming the games should be installed there for a better/faster performance ?
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What's an Adrive?

Do you mean the Adata SSD or the fact the SSD is an M.2 SSD Drive?

Adata are a company that make SSDs, like Intel, Samsung, etc. They're a major manufacturer.
A M.2 drive is just a form of SSD. Instead of bheing a 2.5" 'box' that plugs into a Sata port via a cable, it's a stick that plugs into an M.2 port on the motherboard. It also allows faster speeds than Sata. Some SSDs like the Adata SX6000 manage to be about as cheap as Sata SSDs, while being generally much faster.
 
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£200-£230 for a monitor will buy you an entry-level 1440p monitor. There are plenty of 27" options as well as the 32" option I mentioned.

I happen to own that AOC; I thought 32" would be too big, but having it sat on the desk rather than on the stand, it's actually fine. And very immersive for gaming. NB the vertical part of the stand is built into the monitor, and has to poke out the back of the desk.

But 27" or 32" doesn't really matter, because they're all budget monitors. They might have adaptive sync, but with a very narrow range only. And they have limited refresh rates.

Adaptive sync (freesync, gsync compatible, gsync) is where the monitor's refresh rate is synchronised to the GPU framerate, to help get rid of tearing, but without the input lag or stutter you'd expect with vsync especially where framerates drop below 60.

High refresh rates make for smoother gameplay, as the image on the screen updates more times per second. How much you 'feel' the difference is subjective; some people say they see little difference, but some people find that even dragging the cursor across the desktop is so much more fluid. To my surprise, I was in the latter camp. The difference was crazy.

Adaptive sync works between certain 'ranges' of framerates. On budget monitors commonly 48hz-75hz or sometimes as narrow as 55-75hz. Drop below that, and you're back to stuttering again. Higher refresh rate monitors can also use Low Framerate Compensation, where if framerate drops below that range, adaptive sync still works by doubling up the frames. e.g. you drop to 45 fps, it gets doubled to 90. But that only works where the screen can display that many FPS. So screens with low refresh rates and narrow sync ranges don't get LFC.

I don't see much point in buying a cheap GPU, a cheap monitor, and then wanting to upgrade both before long (because even if you buy an expensive GPU, you're still going to have a limited refresh rate, limited adaptive sync range, and ultimately a budget monitor panel).

And you want to avoid a TN panel ideally for your image work, with IPS or at least VA being preferable.

So: 27", 1440p, 144hz, adaptive sync, and an IPS panel (or a VA, maybe):

Acer Nitro VG270UP ~£330 (IPS)

Note: monitor model names are extremely confusing and Acer is one of the worst offenders. e.g. don't confuse the VG270UP with the VG270U, which is 75hz only, or the VG271UP which is 144hz but has HDR400..., or the VG270 which is 1080p.

MSI Optix MAG271CQR ~£350 (VA, curved)

LG 27GL850 ~£450 (Nano IPS)

The acer has no height adjust on the stand, but is VESA mountable. But obviously that's an extra expense.

The LG is being touted as the best gaming monitor of 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6JxuEQhU18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5Loh7vOcVM
And should last a good long while before you want to upgrade. 4k is still quite far off being truly mainstream, and some gamers prefer the high refresh rates that are viable at 1440p to 4k 60hz anyway.

I'd made some suggestions in my post yesterday on how to balance the build in order to afford this kind of thing, and even a better GPU to go with it.
 
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So I've been thinking and researching about monitors, (finally convinced the missus to let me buy the monitor) :p

but I'm still not decided, I been looking and can see what you were saying about the 30 something inches being better than having 2,

Looking into some curved monitors and I'm in love, I am going to pick up the new computer at 11am today so I'm looking into maybe pick up some monitor as well just not sure which.

I love the idea of curved ultrawide monitors but the good ones are very expensive.
Just wondering what would be the best lets say until £500 in terms of ultrawide curved.

the 32/34 AOC you 1st recommended looks good but is not curved, the MSA VA the curved one you recommended is 27' but not that curved, regardless, if you say thats still the best to go for Ill go with that one.

Im sorry for all the back and forward but its quite a lot of ££ and theres so many bad info online about monitors that is incredible

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There’s an MSI 34” ultrawide curbed for around £500

Overview Optix MAG341CQ

As a world leading gaming brand, MSI is the most trusted name in gaming and eSports. We stand by our principles of breakthroughs in design, and roll out the amazing gaming gear like motherboards, graphics cards, laptops and desktops.
www.msi.com www.msi.com
 
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Element gaming seem to specialise in budget PC peripherals. Their 27" 1440p 144hz freesync TN monitor seems to have gone down well, and even popped up in a review on bit tech
bit-tech.net

Element Gaming 27" QHD 144hz 1ms Gaming Monitor Review | bit-tech.net

Yes, that is the name of the product.
bit-tech.net bit-tech.net

I haven't found a review of the 35" curved ultrawide and there are only 5 user reviews on Reevoo, which do at least seem positive though from a very small sample size.

Whatever monitor you buy, make sure you buy it from a place that has a generous returns policy. Dead pixels don't count as defects unless there are absolute shedloads of them....
 
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Oussebon

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Couldn't quite see if you did already from the pic but don't forget to attach the antennae to the wifi card! :)

Enjoy the system - though if you get a chance on receiving the monitor I'd be very interested to hear your views on it
 
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Brunomatost said:
quick question guys, the GPU fans are not working at all, not sure how can I activate that ? any tips ?
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Is that when under load or normally? GPU fans will often not kick in until the card goes above a certain temp.

What card do you have? If you install GPU-z should tell you the exact model?
 
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