Build comparison and thoughts

[fix up 118118]

So im going to order a new PC most likely tomorrow but i have 2 ideas for how im going about the build i just want your opinion on what you think i should get and which is better value for money. Both builds are very similar in price only about £15 difference. I will be gaming on a 1440p or 4k monitor i haven't decided as of yet.

Build 1 The CPU will be a 5600x the 3600xt is just a placeholder

Case
CORSAIR iCUE 465X RGB GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600XT Six Core CPU (4.5GHz/35MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 665p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 2000MB/sR | 1925MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W CV SERIES™ CV-650 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Extra Case Fans
2x 120mm Black Case Fan (configured to extract from rear/roof)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

Build 2

I'm also certain that the CPU wont bottleneck the 3080 if its 1440p or 4k only at 1080p which i wont be gaming at
Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Six Core CPU (3.6GHz-4.2GHz/36MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B550-PLUS (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
10GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3080 - HDMI, DP (Xmas delivery not guaranteed)
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
256GB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (1900 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
COOLERMASTER 750W MWE MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Noctua NH-U14S Ultra Quiet Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS 802.11N 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

 

[AgentCooper]

Both builds have issues, but the first one has potential with a few tweaks.

What’s the budget and what will you be using it for?

We generally try to spec to the monitor, can we potentially help you with that decision?

 

[Scott]

I would recommend you decide on the monitor first, so that we can advise an appropriate pairing overall.

The 3600 wouldn't be a bottle neck but I think you would be remiss to not get the 5600X where the budget allows.

 

[fix up 118118]

Both builds have issues, but the first one has potential with a few tweaks.

What’s the budget and what will you be using it for?

We generally try to spec to the monitor, can we potentially help you with that decision?

The budget is £1500-1600 i will be using for mostly gaming but i do plan to do some streaming as well

 

[fix up 118118]

I would recommend you decide on the monitor first, so that we can advise an appropriate pairing overall.

The 3600 wouldn't be a bottle neck but I think you would be remiss to not get the 5600X where the budget allows.

True I do think the 5600x would be a great choice however its either that and the 3070 or 3600 and the 3080 i cant atm go both 5600x and 3080. Maybe in 3 or 4 months i will buy a 5600x or a 5800x when i can afford it. I think i will also settle for a 1440p monitor but will be using ray tracing as well as maxing out all settings

 

[AgentCooper]

Very high end 1440p build. £1 over budget. Boom.

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5600X
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 13 to 15 working days
Price: £1,601.00 including VAT and Delivery

 

[fix up 118118]

Very high end 1440p build. £1 over budget. Boom.

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL II GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 5600X
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF X570-PLUS GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0, CrossFireX) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 3070 - HDMI, DP
1st Storage Drive
1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 64MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB PCS PCIe M.2 SSD (2000 MB/R, 1100 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
STANDARD AMD CPU COOLER
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KK3-00002]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 13 to 15 working days
Price: £1,601.00 including VAT and Delivery

May i ask what is the key differences between the b550 boards and x570

 

[AgentCooper]

Essentially, features and compatibility. X570 is regarded as being slightly superior and likely to have more longevity.

B550 vs X570 for Gaming (Why X570 is Not Always Worth It)

What are the differences between X570 and B550 motherboards for a Ryzen gaming PC build? Which AMD chipset has better VRMs for overclocking? Are X570 features worth it? We explain in simple language.

www.build-gaming-computers.com

 

[fix up 118118]

Essentially, features and compatibility. X570 is regarded as being slightly superior and likely to have more longevity.

B550 vs X570 for Gaming (Why X570 is Not Always Worth It)

What are the differences between X570 and B550 motherboards for a Ryzen gaming PC build? Which AMD chipset has better VRMs for overclocking? Are X570 features worth it? We explain in simple language.

www.build-gaming-computers.com

Thanks for help also what was the key issues you had with the 2nd build?

 

[AgentCooper]

The tiny primary drive and the PSU were factors. But mainly opting for a 3080 when you’d not yet chosen a monitor. Likely to have a huge bottleneck situation if you don’t choose the right screen.

 

[ProEnigma]

Thanks for help also what was the key issues you had with the 2nd build?

If you are playing the top graphic demanding games on a 1440p 144Hz monitor, you will be ok with a 1440p 144Hz monitor, you said you want to play at max setting, but remember the 3080 for a 1440p monitor is the very top end of a GPU, if you are not bothered about getitng max FPS, and max graphics settings it may not be worth it.

The main reason to go for the 3070 on this build is your budget, the 3080 is £200 more I believe, and if you have a tight budget the 3070 will also be fine. here is a link to a video shouldn't the difference between a 3080, 3070 and 20180TI at 1440p and 4k.

Edit: just to add in them benchmarks, if the FPS goes over 144 it's not going to be of a benifit, it's lost FPS, so keep that in mind, also remember I said the 3080 for a 1440p 144Hz is only of benifit for most graphice demending games and if you are really maxing out setting.

 

[SpyderTracks]

If you’re getting the 3080 for 1440p you really need a 240hz screen for 2 reasons, one, most of you’re games will be bottlenecked by the monitor and two, you’ll have no upgrade path with the monitor when you upgrade the card which again is a massive waste.

It’s not a good idea to pair a 3080 with a 1440p 144Hz monitor.

 

[AgentCooper]

If you’re getting the 3080 for 1440p you really need a 240hz screen for 2 reasons, one, most of you’re games will be bottlenecked by the monitor and two, you’ll have no upgrade path with the monitor when you upgrade the card which again is a massive waste.

It’s not a good idea to pair a 3080 with a 1440p 144Hz monitor.

Agreed. I have an ultrawide 1440p monitor paired with a 3070 and it’s running whatever I throw at it with ease.

I could have purchased a 3080 when they came out. Instead I waited for the 3070 because to pay an extra £200 for some minor graphical settings to be slightly higher in a few select games seems ridiculous to me. I’ve got better things to spend my money on 👍

 

[fix up 118118]

So basically what im seeing is go for a 3080 if i plan to do 4k and stick with a 3070 for 1440p

 

[SpyderTracks]

So basically what im seeing is go for a 3080 if i plan to do 4k and stick with a 3070 for 1440p

Yes, pretty much.

 

[ProEnigma]

So basically what im seeing is go for a 3080 if i plan to do 4k and stick with a 3070 for 1440p

pretty much, while I will offer my advice with the 3080 and 1440p monitor, thats all it is, as Agentcooper said, for him the extra graphical setting are not for him, yet they are for me, I like to give a different point with the 3080 just to incase thats what a person is looking for, not many are, either way, the system you are getting is going to bring you joy for some time to come, lets get down the importaint thing thats the gaming, I'm looking foward to assassin's creed valhalla thats coming out on the 10th of this month, cant wait to play it

 

[AgentCooper]

pretty much, while I will offer my advice with the 3080 and 1440p monitor, thats all it is, as Agentcooper said, for him the extra graphical setting are not for him, yet they are for me, I like to give a different point with the 3080 just to incase thats what a person is looking for, not many are, either way, the system you are getting is going to bring you joy for some time to come, lets get down the importaint thing thats the gaming, I'm looking foward to assassin's creed valhalla thats coming out on the 10th of this month, cant wait to play it

It’s not ‘extra settings’. It’s things like the difference between having some textures and shadows at very high and some at ultra. Things that most people wouldn’t even notice if the two systems were playing the same game side by side. And this is only on a very small handful of games. For about 98% of games available there’d be no difference whatsoever on what’s happening on screen.

 

[ProEnigma]

It’s not ‘extra settings’. It’s things like the difference between having some textures and shadows at very high and some at ultra.

Some people like that, you don't thats ok, thats your view point, i gave the side that others do like that, there are different view points, yours is not always the right one

Things that most people wouldn’t even notice if the two systems were playing the same game side by side.

Some people can tell the difference, you ill guess you cant, and thats ok, thats your view point, i gave the side that others can see them differences, there are different view points, yours is not always the right one.

For about 98% of games available there’d be no difference whatsoever on what’s happening on screen.

Please dont put a number out there like "98%" when you have no real numbers, for me the only game I have played thats gone over 144Hz (FPS) is Alien isolation, I was playing Metro 2033 last night and it got 133FPS, the problem is, you are basing this whole thing on your opinion, and with that you think your opinion is the right one. and I am sorry it's not the right one for every one else.

you gave your opinion on a 3070 1440p I gave mine on a 3080 1440p, I even said that if the person isn't looking for max setting in the most demanding games, then the 3080 may not be for them "but remember the 3080 for a 1440p monitor is the very top end of a GPU, if you are not bothered about getitng max FPS, and max graphics settings it may not be worth it." yet even though I said that, you still felt the need to point out your opinion again as it didn't fit yours, this is so true for this forum, if it's not the top 8 peoples idea of whats right, then it's wrong and thus cant be done in a different way.

So let me help you, click my name, once you do, click the "ignore" then you'll never see my opinion again, I have been polite and even sided with you in this thread, stating, "The main reason to go for the 3070 on this build is your budget, the 3080 is £200 more I believe, and if you have a tight budget the 3070 will also be fine. I just gave a different point of view and you cant handle it, so best you ignore me, also try and get off this point of trying to prove me wrong, you are just causing stress for your self, why is it so hard for you to accept that just becuse you cant see or tell the difference, or because you dont feel it's worth it for extra shadows and textures, that every one else has to be the same.

I have Aspergers, I am agoraphobic, i dont go out, who are you to tell me or anyone that I cant have something just because you don't want it. grow up, realise there are others in the world that are not like you and want/need more from the things they by other than what you deem to be acceptible,

 

[Notapcspecialist]

Some people like that, you don't thats ok, thats your view point, i gave the side that others do like that, there are different view points, yours is not always the right one

Some people can tell the difference, you ill guess you cant, and thats ok, thats your view point, i gave the side that others can see them differences, there are different view points, yours is not always the right one.


Please dont put a number out there like "98%" when you have no real numbers, for me the only game I have played thats gone over 144Hz (FPS) is Alien isolation, I was playing Metro 2033 last night and it got 133FPS, the problem is, you are basing this whole thing on your opinion, and with that you think your opinion is the right one. and I am sorry it's not the right one for every one else.

you gave your opinion on a 3070 1440p I gave mine on a 3080 1440p, I even said that if the person isn't looking for max setting in the most demanding games, then the 3080 may not be for them "but remember the 3080 for a 1440p monitor is the very top end of a GPU, if you are not bothered about getitng max FPS, and max graphics settings it may not be worth it." yet even though I said that, you still felt the need to point out your opinion again as it didn't fit yours, this is so true for this forum, if it's not the top 8 peoples idea of whats right, then it's wrong and thus cant be done in a different way.

So let me help you, click my name, once you do, click the "ignore" then you'll never see my opinion again, I have been polite and even sided with you in this thread, stating, "The main reason to go for the 3070 on this build is your budget, the 3080 is £200 more I believe, and if you have a tight budget the 3070 will also be fine. I just gave a different point of view and you cant handle it, so best you ignore me, also try and get off this point of trying to prove me wrong, you are just causing stress for your self, why is it so hard for you to accept that just becuse you cant see or tell the difference, or because you dont feel it's worth it for extra shadows and textures, that every one else has to be the same.

I have Aspergers, I am agoraphobic, i dont go out, who are you to tell me or anyone that I cant have something just because you don't want it. grow up, realise there are others in the world that are not like you and want/need more from the things they by other than what you deem to be acceptible,

Since you’ve joined this forum you’ve added a fair amount of hostility towards helpful volunteers who go out of their way to offer genuine advice to those who don’t have custom PC expertise. You mention stress but I think you are the only one showing signs?

OP - you would be wise to follow Coopers and Spyders advice!

 

[SpyderTracks]

Sorry to OP for going off thread for a while, it's all yours again.