Cooling noise/High temps when gaming

[Sceers]

Hey guys,

PC Specs:

Intel i9 12900k
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS Z690 HERO WIFI
Asus RTX 3090ti
Dominator Platinum DDR5 2x16gb
H150I Elite Capellix
Case: COOLERMASTER MASTERCASE H500M GAMING CASE
Monitor: Samsung 32" Neo G7 UHD 165Hz

I've had this PC since last April and I wanted to get it for both video editing and of course gaming, but one thing that I've always been put off doing is playing the latest game, which sounds odd because I have good great specs.

Why? Because whenever I play games, the H150i Elite Capellix sounds like a jet engine and it's just so off-putting even though my PC tells me that the best/ultra settings of the game are the "optimal" settings.

The PC gets very hot, and I just find it hard to believe that it should be going this level of crazy when gaming? I want to ask if that's normal but it's hard for me to believe that it should be *THIS* stressed when running a game at recommended settings. And it doesn't seem to be hardware that's stressed, but rather the cooling that is struggling and causing the Capellix fans to go absolutely nuts at 2300+RPM with the coolant temp reaching around 47 degrees after 30 minutes of gameplay.

Is there something I'm missing here? I always wondered if the case didn't have the best airflow for the build I used, or if the Capellix isn't that great anyway because I've heard from other people the fans are loud... But I know a friend who got a similar rig from PC Specialist but with a different case and his temperatures don't run this high when in use. It's getting a bit dusty in there but I know that's not the issue because it's been this loud when running games since day 1. I also know I'm running games in 4k but given the specs I have and with how smooth it is, it seems to run that just fine.. So I think it's a cooling issue?

Thanks.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Hey guys,

PC Specs:

Intel i9 12900k
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS Z690 HERO WIFI
Asus RTX 3090ti
Dominator Platinum DDR5 2x16gb
H150I Elite Capellix
Case: COOLERMASTER MASTERCASE H500M GAMING CASE
Monitor: Samsung 32" Neo G7 UHD 165Hz

I've had this PC since last April and I wanted to get it for both video editing and of course gaming, but one thing that I've always been put off doing is playing the latest game, which sounds odd because I have good great specs.

Why? Because whenever I play games, the H150i Elite Capellix sounds like a jet engine and it's just so off-putting even though my PC tells me that the best/ultra settings of the game are the "optimal" settings.

The PC gets very hot, and I just find it hard to believe that it should be going this level of crazy when gaming? I want to ask if that's normal but it's hard for me to believe that it should be *THIS* stressed when running a game at recommended settings. And it doesn't seem to be hardware that's stressed, but rather the cooling that is struggling and causing the Capellix fans to go absolutely nuts at 2300+RPM with the coolant temp reaching around 47 degrees after 30 minutes of gameplay.

Is there something I'm missing here? I always wondered if the case didn't have the best airflow for the build I used, or if the Capellix isn't that great anyway because I've heard from other people the fans are loud... But I know a friend who got a similar rig from PC Specialist but with a different case and his temperatures don't run this high when in use. It's getting a bit dusty in there but I know that's not the issue because it's been this loud when running games since day 1. I also know I'm running games in 4k but given the specs I have and with how smooth it is, it seems to run that just fine.. So I think it's a cooling issue?

Thanks.

Hiya, can you post the full specs from the order page?

 

[DarkPaladin]

I can't tell where the AIO fans are from the image you posted (which is probably a bad sign). They should ideally be underneath the radiator, transferring the heat from the radiator to outside of the PC.

This is purely guessing based on the setup of your pump, but (assuming the fans weren't correctly installed) what is likely happening is your pump and radiator has no efficient way of exhausting the heat build-up, causing the pump + CPU to overheat. This in turn is causing excess heat to build up on to your other components as well.

The optimal set up is typically the front (and side if included) case fans are used as intake to bring in cooler air, while the back case fan and the Cappelix fans are used as an exhaust for the hot air.

 

[Sceers]

Hiya, can you post the full specs from the order page?

COOLERMASTER MASTERCASE H500M GAMING CASE
Intel® Core™ i9 16-Core Processor i9-12900K (3.2GHz) 30MB Cache
ASUS® ROG MAXIMUS Z690 HERO WIFI (LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready
Motherboard wifi aerials
32GB Corsair DOMINATOR PLATINUM DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB)
NONE, I ALREADY HAVE A GRAPHICS CARD
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 7000MB/R, 5000MB/W)
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Corsair H150i ELITE CAPELLIX RGB Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Asus Xonar AE 7.1-Channel Gaming Audio Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence

 

[Sceers]

I can't tell where the AIO fans are from the image you posted (which is probably a bad sign). They should ideally be underneath the radiator, transferring the heat from the radiator to outside of the PC.

This is purely guessing based on the setup of your pump, but (assuming the fans weren't correctly installed) what is likely happening is your pump and radiator has no efficient way of exhausting the heat build-up, causing the pump + CPU to overheat. This in turn is causing excess heat to build up on to your other components as well.

The optimal set up is typically the front (and side if included) case fans are used as intake to bring in cooler air, while the back case fan and the Cappelix fans are used as an exhaust for the hot air.

Do you mean these fans above it? The thing that's crappy about this case imo is that it has that glass top, so these fans push the air there and supposedly outside the mesh on the sides but I don't think it does a great job..

 

[SpyderTracks]

Do you mean these fans above it? The thing that's crappy about this case imo is that it has that glass top, so these fans push the air there and supposedly outside the mesh on the sides but I don't think it does a great job..

IMHO that setup isn't done correctly, the fans should be the other side of the radiator pushing air through, that's how they're designed to work.

As a result your coolant temp is very high which s what dictates fan speeds

Your temps are far too high even for the 12900k which is an extremely hot processor.

Unfortunately you chose the custom paste which would have replaced the preapplied paste which would likely reduce thermal transfer also.

But that case is by no means suitable for a 12900k paired with a 3090ti I'm afraid, it's a low-mid range case designed for something like an RTX3060 / 3070 tops.

 

[DarkPaladin]

IMHO that setup isn't done correctly, the fans should be the other side of the radiator pushing air through, that's how they're designed to work.

As a result your coolant temp is very high.

Your temps are far too high even for the 12900k which is an extremely hot processor.

Unfortunately you chose the custom paste which would have replaced the preapplied paste which would likely reduce thermal transfer also.

But that case is by no means suitable for a 12900k paired with a 3090ti I'm afraid, it's a low-mid range case designed for something like an RTX3060 / 3070 tops.

Agreed. I've never seen the Cappelix set up to have the fans on top of the radiator.

Either they were installed and set up as intake fans, or they were incorrectly set up when trying to configure them as exhaust fans. Neither of those setups makes any sense since they'll both contribute to excessive heat build-up in the case.

My personal suggestion would be to move the fans from the top of the radiator to underneath them. You can either do this yourself if you're comfortable, or I'd call PCSpecialist to do it for you.

 

[Sceers]

IMHO that setup isn't done correctly, the fans should be the other side of the radiator pushing air through, that's how they're designed to work.

As a result your coolant temp is very high which s what dictates fan speeds

Your temps are far too high even for the 12900k which is an extremely hot processor.

Unfortunately you chose the custom paste which would have replaced the preapplied paste which would likely reduce thermal transfer also.

But that case is by no means suitable for a 12900k paired with a 3090ti I'm afraid, it's a low-mid range case designed for something like an RTX3060 / 3070 tops.

Well damn. I wonder why PC Specialist fit it that way :S I have seen some other cases on google searches with fans facing the same way in the case, so I never really thought much of it?

Had absolutely no idea about the paste aspect. I didn't know they would remove preapplied paste to do that. Wish they informed people about that!

As for the case, it was one of the highest end ones they were offering at the time.

What's the best thing I can do? Reverse the cooling setup? I'm quite a noob with things like this, having never built a PC which is why I left it in PC Specialist's hands :/

 

[SpyderTracks]

As for the case, it was one of the highest end ones they were offering at the time.

Sorry, my bad, their naming convention isn't that great, I was getting mixed up with another one, you're right, this is perfectly placed for the power of rhe machine.

 

[DarkPaladin]

This is how they should appear when correctly configured as exhaust fans.

 

[Sceers]

Agreed. I've never seen the Cappelix set up to have the fans on top of the radiator.

Either they were installed and set up as intake fans, or they were incorrectly set up when trying to configure them as exhaust fans. Neither of those setups makes any sense since they'll both contribute to excessive heat build-up in the case.

My personal suggestion would be to move the fans from the top of the radiator to underneath them. You can either do this yourself if you're comfortable, or I'd call PCSpecialist to do it for you.

I thought with the way it's currently set up is that the fans were expelling the hot air from inside the case to the outside via the mesh on the sides?

Or does that only happen if the fans were on the other side and it pushes it through?

 

[Sceers]

This is how they should appear when correctly configured as exhaust fans.

Interesting. Yeah that's really annoying to learn that I've been using it for over a year incorrectly and that this could greatly reduce the cooling issue.

The thing is I'm not comfortable with doing this myself and as it's my main PC that I use to work on.. I don't think I'd have time to send it back to PC Specalist for them to change it around. I don't have that much faith in them anyway given that they assembled it this way in the first place (among other issues with this build prior to this).

Would there be anything I need to be wary of when changing it around, such as the liquid side of it all?

 

[DarkPaladin]

I thought with the way it's currently set up is that the fans were expelling the hot air from inside the case to the outside via the mesh on the sides?

Or does that only happen if the fans were on the other side and it pushes it through?

Mesh alone isn't effective at pushing air through a case. It ideally needs a good exhaust fan on the rear of the case, and exhaust fans at the top (which is often where the CPU/AIO coolers are placed).

From what I've seen, whoever built your PC installed the pump and radiator correctly, but they installed the fans on top of the radiator instead of underneath it.

In terms of re-installing the fans, you'd only need to unscrew the fans from the top and install them in the correct position. You wouldn't have to remove the pump for this. You can see the video + images to show which is the correct placement and direction for the fans. I'd also be gentle/careful doing this to make sure you don't accidentally disconnect any cables (if possible, pay attention to where the cables are before doing this).

If you're still not comfortable doing it yourself, I would get PCSpecialist do to it as they should have done it correctly in the first place.

Watch the first minute of this video for how to install the fans correctly:

 

[Sceers]

Mesh alone isn't effective at pushing air through a case. It ideally needs a good exhaust fan on the rear of the case, and exhaust fans at the top (which is often where the CPU/AIO coolers are placed).

From what I've seen, whoever built your PC installed the pump and radiator correctly, but they installed the fans on top of the radiator instead of underneath it.

In terms of re-installing the fans, you'd only need to unscrew the fans from the top and install them in the correct position. You wouldn't have to remove the pump for this. You can see the video + images to show which is the correct placement and direction for the fans. I'd also be gentle/careful doing this to make sure you don't accidentally disconnect any cables (if possible, pay attention to where the cables are before doing this).

If you're still not comfortable doing it yourself, I would get PCSpecialist do to it as they should have done it correctly in the first place.

Watch the first minute of this video for how to install the fans correctly:

Sorry for the dumb questions but with the fans on top in their current placement, is that pushing air back into the system whereas if I moved them to the bottom with your suggestion, it would be pushing the air up through the radiator and out of the case like it's supposed to be?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Sorry for the dumb questions but with the fans on top in their current placement, is that pushing air back into the system whereas if I moved them to the bottom with your suggestion, it would be pushing the air up through the radiator and out of the case like it's supposed to be?

Currently they're setup to pull air from inside the case through the radiator then expell it out of the top of the case, but that's a less than optimal configuration.

 

[Sceers]

Currently they're setup to pull air from inside the case through the radiator then expell it out of the top of the case, but that's a less than optimal configuration.

Isn't that good though, to pull the hot air from inside the case to the outside? If it's reversed how will that help my cooling issue?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Isn't that good though, to pull the hot air from inside the case to the outside? If it's reversed how will that help my cooling issue?

Because the fans are designed as push, not pull.

 

[Sceers]

Because the fans are designed as push, not pull.

Thanks for your help.

Will the current 2 big fans on the front of the H500M and single one on the back be enough to take air out?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thanks for your help.

Will the current 2 big fans on the front of the H500M and single one on the back be enough to take air out?

The ones on the front are drawing air in, not out.

The single on the rear is standard as an exhaust paired with the cooler fans, but wouldn't be enough on it's own.

 

[Sceers]

The ones on the front are drawing air in, not out.

The single on the rear is standard as an exhaust paired with the cooler fans, but wouldn't be enough on it's own.

Ah so you're saying with the Cappelix fan change from top to bottom, the rear fan exhaust should be enough?