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[Durand1981]

I stream to Twitch (will be using minimum of two webcams) using Streamlabs OBS, while gaming or DJ'ing the (Multi Cam) is for different viewpoints while on the decks.
My initial budget was 2000 or less but gave way for a bit more to have the i9 for longevity and the suggested motherboard.
That being said its a lot of money and I would like to make 100% sure its the right investment, with the right parts to last and not just a waste of money.

SPECS

Case
PCS PRISM TG BLACK ARGB MID TOWER CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 24-Core Processor i9-13900K (Up to 5.8GHz) 36MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX Z790-F GAMING WIFI (DDR5, LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6950 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 2950MB/sW)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB SOLIDIGM P41+ GEN 4 M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 4125MB/sR, 3325MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 360 Series ARGB High Performance Liquid Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
LED Lighting
50cm ARGB LED Strip
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 10 working days
Price: £0.00 including VAT and Delivery

 

[Scott]

I would be more likely to go down the AM5 route for longevity. The Intel offerings are on an end of life platform. Not to mention the fact that you need the top line cooler to attempt to keep temps in check (The chips tend to flex when used to their limit).

Below should be within budget. Will handle all gaming/streaming needs

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS 2 ARGB GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (DDR5, PCIe 5.0) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6950 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100i ELITE RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 10 working days
Price: £2,069.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/JthzyS3m8t/

 

[Durand1981]

I would be more likely to go down the AM5 route for longevity. The Intel offerings are on an end of life platform. Not to mention the fact that you need the top line cooler to attempt to keep temps in check (The chips tend to flex when used to their limit).

Below should be within budget. Will handle all gaming/streaming needs

Case
FRACTAL FOCUS 2 ARGB GAMING CASE (BLACK)
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Eight Core CPU (4.2GHz-5.0GHz/104MB w/3D V-CACHE/AM5)
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI (DDR5, PCIe 5.0) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB DDR5 5600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
16GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6950 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
Graphics Card Support Bracket
NONE (BRACKET INCLUDED AS STANDARD ON 4070 Ti AND ABOVE)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 980 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 6900MB/R, 5000MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
2TB CORSAIR CORE XT MP600 NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD (up to 5000 MB/R, 4400 MB/W)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 1000W RMx SERIES™ - MODULAR 80 PLUS GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead, 1.0mm Core)
Processor Cooling
CORSAIR H100i ELITE RGB High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
ONBOARD 2.5Gbe LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
NO OPERATING SYSTEM REQUIRED
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Firefox™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 7 to 10 working days
Price: £2,069.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am5-pc/JthzyS3m8t/

Thankyou for replying
Sadly I already went ahead and purchased prior to seeing this, as I thought this post had just gone under the radar.
Fortunately for me I highly doubt I will ever be taking the i9 to its limits, and not sure when the end of life will be for the i9 but i would expect it to be a good couple of years yet (I will however) start looking into AMD I really don't know a lot about them, I have always had an i5 CPU and Nvidea GPU's until now.

 

[Scott]

You can still change your order over if you like. If you give them a ring or live chat they can swap it.

If you are really intent on sticking with the Intel I would make a number of changes (which you can do through your orders page)

Case - Not good enough, you want a decent case for airflow
Processor - I would genuinely drop this to the i7. The singe thread won't make any real odds. Multi-thread it shouldn't spike as much in temps.
RAM - You really want to go as fast as you can get. Faster the better, go for the top speed.
GPU - 1000w would be the minimum at the levels of GPU you're looking at. Ignore any calculators, they don't take everything into account.
Cooler - Corsair H150i. I wouldn't recommend the PCS offering. It's very budget.

 

[Durand1981]

You can still change your order over if you like. If you give them a ring or live chat they can swap it.

If you are really intent on sticking with the Intel I would make a number of changes (which you can do through your orders page)

Case - Not good enough, you want a decent case for airflow
Processor - I would genuinely drop this to the i7. The singe thread won't make any real odds. Multi-thread it shouldn't spike as much in temps.
RAM - You really want to go as fast as you can get. Faster the better, go for the top speed.
GPU - 1000w would be the minimum at the levels of GPU you're looking at. Ignore any calculators, they don't take everything into account.
Cooler - Corsair H150i. I wouldn't recommend the PCS offering. It's very budget.

I had already made the change to corsair H150i I didnt realise i sent an older mock I had already adjusted tbf

 

[Durand1981]

You can still change your order over if you like. If you give them a ring or live chat they can swap it.

If you are really intent on sticking with the Intel I would make a number of changes (which you can do through your orders page)

Case - Not good enough, you want a decent case for airflow
Processor - I would genuinely drop this to the i7. The singe thread won't make any real odds. Multi-thread it shouldn't spike as much in temps.
RAM - You really want to go as fast as you can get. Faster the better, go for the top speed.
GPU - 1000w would be the minimum at the levels of GPU you're looking at. Ignore any calculators, they don't take everything into account.
Cooler - Corsair H150i. I wouldn't recommend the PCS offering. It's very budget.

So I had already as above changed the cooler prior to your suggestion to the H150i however (I stuck with the CPU) mainly because its not just gaming and streaming that I do but also longevity. I did not upgrade the ram or PSU BUT I did upgrade the thermal paste and changed the case to the Lian Li cool 2 which were both suggested by PCS.
Hopefully that should do it Once i have more money I will look into the PSU and a GPU upgrade though of this I have no doubt hopefully the 50 series cards fair better.
And thankyou for your help / suggestions when spending this much money it is as said i ndiscription here important you do it right probably had I thought about it prior to the purchase fortunately not much to amend.

But thankyou again a great help.

 

[TonyCarter]

You don't want the extra paste with a Corsair cooler, as the pre-applied paste is better, so someone at PCS is feeding you poor information.

I'll not comment on the rest, as @Scott has already covered those bases.

 

[Scott]

The i9 doesn't offer any longevity. Unsure why you would think that it does. It's actually more likely that the CPU will flex/warp due to the extreme heat and need replaced due to failure, rather than last longer. The case is fine, but the paste is a poor choice. On paper it may seem like a good idea, and hence why it's a direction from the sales team, but as an enthusiast builder/tester/muck arounder and PCS customer who got the paste..... I would advise against it.

Saving ITRO £50 now to spend £400 down the line seems madness to me, but again.... each to their own.

 

[Durand1981]

The i9 doesn't offer any longevity. Unsure why you would think that it does. It's actually more likely that the CPU will flex/warp due to the extreme heat and need replaced due to failure, rather than last longer. The case is fine, but the paste is a poor choice. On paper it may seem like a good idea, and hence why it's a direction from the sales team, but as an enthusiast builder/tester/muck arounder and PCS customer who got the paste..... I would advise against it.

Saving ITRO £50 now to spend £400 down the line seems madness to me, but again.... each to their own.

I called in and got the paste issue sorted, I would assume the CPU flex /warp would be more likely to do so due to OC at a guess (I don't know this) it would just make more sense to me by trying to rag it for everything its got.
Which I wont be doing personally no desire to OC, that said I did forget to adress the fact streaming is NOT the only thing I do.
I also make music and multiple instances of VST's can get very CPU intensive, and also video editing (but the editing is at present is more of a hobby).
As for the longevity One would assume that the i9 would stay more relavant for longer due to its performance over the i7, am I wrong possibly maybe I am looking at it wrong it was my perspective granted but tbf what do I know its why I am here all be it a bit late tbf lol.

 

[Scott]

I called in and got the paste issue sorted, I would assume the CPU flex /warp would be more likely to do so due to OC at a guess (I don't know this) it would just make more sense to me by trying to rag it for everything its got.
Which I wont be doing personally no desire to OC, that said I did forget to adress the fact streaming is NOT the only thing I do.
I also make music and multiple instances of VST's can get very CPU intensive, and also video editing (but the editing is at present is more of a hobby).
As for the longevity One would assume that the i9 would stay more relavant for longer due to its performance over the i7, am I wrong possibly maybe I am looking at it wrong it was my perspective granted but tbf what do I know its why I am here all be it a bit late tbf lol.

This is what I've been trying to advise you of. You're making a number of assumptions, all of them incorrect IMO, I've tried to give you the information to explain why I'm advising a certain way but your response is to give me your assumptions again. Not once have you assumed that what I'm telling you is in your best interest though. The old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.

The i9 is well documented for warping. It's a well known issue. A quick search of Google or Youtube and you will find all you need to know in that regard. Within a month there was a 3rd party supplier offering bracing for the CPU to try and stop it from warping. This is not OC related or anything else. In order for Intel to try and win the benchmark war at release they squeezed every ounce of stock performance out of the chip that they could. The board manufacturers want to be part of this equation so they allow the boost and clocks to max out in a power fashion. This turns the CPU into an absolute furnace and it runs at 90+ degrees continually when stressed on a top of the line 360mm AIO (not a PCS budget offering and not an air cooler). Even an air cooler on an open bench gets wild on the temps, and that's as good as it gets for a consumer test.

If you search around you will see claims of 95°C being normal for this chip. Anything running over 85°C is way outwith sensible though.

Again, if you ask any questions on anything that I'm telling you, I'm happy to answer.

Assumption is the mother of all...... something something. Always do your own research when making such a huge purchase, but first and foremost...... at least do the research.

 

[Durand1981]

This is what I've been trying to advise you of. You're making a number of assumptions, all of them incorrect IMO, I've tried to give you the information to explain why I'm advising a certain way but your response is to give me your assumptions again. Not once have you assumed that what I'm telling you is in your best interest though. The old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water.

The i9 is well documented for warping. It's a well known issue. A quick search of Google or Youtube and you will find all you need to know in that regard. Within a month there was a 3rd party supplier offering bracing for the CPU to try and stop it from warping. This is not OC related or anything else. In order for Intel to try and win the benchmark war at release they squeezed every ounce of stock performance out of the chip that they could. The board manufacturers want to be part of this equation so they allow the boost and clocks to max out in a power fashion. This turns the CPU into an absolute furnace and it runs at 90+ degrees continually when stressed on a top of the line 360mm AIO (not a PCS budget offering and not an air cooler). Even an air cooler on an open bench gets wild on the temps, and that's as good as it gets for a consumer test.

If you search around you will see claims of 95°C being normal for this chip. Anything running over 85°C is way outwith sensible though.

Again, if you ask any questions on anything that I'm telling you, I'm happy to answer.

Assumption is the mother of all...... something something. Always do your own research when making such a huge purchase, but first and foremost...... at least do the research.

In fairness I have been doing research it wasnt just on a whim, I do however admitt I have assumed a lot trying to look at things logically from the little I do know. I just personally never came across this info and also no one on the PCS discords mentioned this either, in regard to the CPU. The build which so far as i know was presented with the spec info in my spec discussions.

 

[Scott]

Was this a sales team or enthusiasts though? You need to consider a lot of factors with who you are chatting with. I've used the analogy of sales and marketing before. I'll not say any more on this as I don't know the training or experience that anyone at PCS has. I can only say that I've had many contradictory opinions over the years to what is being offered as sales advice.

I've used the analogy of car sales teams in the past. They're trained expertly in sales. How well do you think they know the inner workings of the engine management or the compression ratio of the engine? It depends how enthusiastic they are about cars vs how enthusiastic they are about doing their job and making money.

With anyone on here asking for advice, I advise as if I was spending my own money..... or helping out a relative/friend/family member. I love technology, PCs and all things digital with voltage running through them. I want everyone to have the best and get the same delight that I do.

I scour hours of reviews, information, data. I spend hours at a time tweaking one little thing in my setup to get satisfaction from playing with it. I'm the go to for my companies IT team when they need assistance with something IT related. I form my opinions from a wealth of experience and a ridiculous amount of data gathering and reading between lines etc.

If you notice my sig.... I've got an AMD when I could have saved money and gone Intel. There's a reason for every single suggestion I make and there's a reason that they're all in line with the same methodology for the choices I made when configuring my build None of them are sales related or in any way beneficial to me.

 

[Durand1981]

Was this a sales team or enthusiasts though? You need to consider a lot of factors with who you are chatting with. I've used the analogy of sales and marketing before. I'll not say any more on this as I don't know the training or experience that anyone at PCS has. I can only say that I've had many contradictory opinions over the years to what is being offered as sales advice.

I've used the analogy of car sales teams in the past. They're trained expertly in sales. How well do you think they know the inner workings of the engine management or the compression ratio of the engine? It depends how enthusiastic they are about cars vs how enthusiastic they are about doing their job and making money.

With anyone on here asking for advice, I advise as if I was spending my own money..... or helping out a relative/friend/family member. I love technology, PCs and all things digital with voltage running through them. I want everyone to have the best and get the same delight that I do.

I scour hours of reviews, information, data. I spend hours at a time tweaking one little thing in my setup to get satisfaction from playing with it. I'm the go to for my companies IT team when they need assistance with something IT related. I form my opinions from a wealth of experience and a ridiculous amount of data gathering and reading between lines etc.

If you notice my sig.... I've got an AMD when I could have saved money and gone Intel. There's a reason for every single suggestion I make and there's a reason that they're all in line with the same methodology for the choices I made when configuring my build None of them are sales related or in any way beneficial to me.

Oh I am picking up what your putting down the thermal paste was a prime example today no quibbles though was easy to fix, I am curious though if its that bad why is it still on the shelf. To be clear I am not here trying to argue with you, I am clearly trying to understand that if a product is at such a failure rate how is it still on shelfs.
Surely if no fix for the fault was found to readily do the job properly that should of been pulled ??

 

[Scott]

I also put this together:

Desktop Building Guide - April 2023

A "quick" reference guide to building the perfect system. This is the sort of logic I go through when suggesting systems, so thought I would jot it down on the page. Clearly this is an ever changing suite of options but I'll update periodically as my default go-to's change... I'm noticing the...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Granted it needs updated continually so it's not always up to current affairs, but that's why I would always advise getting bespoke advice before a purchase.

If you want some insight to my thinking, it's there. If you check through most of the recommended specs, you'll see they follow a common trend. This isn't because anyone is following my opinion, it's because they've formed their own and come to a similar consensus. I don't think there are many proper open minded enthusiasts that would suggest a 13900k in a build these days.

 

[Durand1981]

I also put this together:

Desktop Building Guide - April 2023

A "quick" reference guide to building the perfect system. This is the sort of logic I go through when suggesting systems, so thought I would jot it down on the page. Clearly this is an ever changing suite of options but I'll update periodically as my default go-to's change... I'm noticing the...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Granted it needs updated continually so it's not always up to current affairs, but that's why I would always advise getting bespoke advice before a purchase.

If you want some insight to my thinking, it's there. If you check through most of the recommended specs, you'll see they follow a common trend. This isn't because anyone is following my opinion, it's because they've formed their own and come to a similar consensus. I don't think there are many proper open minded enthusiasts that would suggest a 13900k in a build these days.

Just reading through this now, some interesting information thus far tbf.

 

[Scott]

Oh I am picking up what your putting down the thermal paste was a prime example today no quibbles though was easy to fix, I am curious though if its that bad why is it still on the shelf. To be clear I am not here trying to argue with you, I am clearly trying to understand that if a product is at such a failure rate how is it still on shelfs.
Surely if no fix for the fault was found to readily do the job properly that should of been pulled ??

This is kinda what I'm saying. Officially it's not a fault, it's an expectation of the hardware and it's working within it's pre-defined limits.

Those pre-defined limits have always been around the 105°C mark. Anything inside that is within spec. However, anyone who knows anything knows that a CPU running over 85°C on a desktop system is just asking for a short life.

My rig maxes out at 80°C overclocked as high as I can get it with power limits stopping it and running in "standard" mode on my cooler. That's stress testing and pushing it as hard as I can. I rarely see it over 55°C, even after a heavy gaming session as it's just so power efficient it's ridiculous. I've also got my cooler on "quiet" mode as well, as it's just not required to be pushing hard.

My 9900K overclocked ran 85°C daily on a H115i. I pushed it to 5.4Ghz and saw 95°C..... all within spec, but I wouldn't touch this for daily running as it's just asking for failure. I easily got it over 100°C stress testing but this was just pushing boundaries and hitting numbers to do well on the Firestrike charts (I was no.1 for a brief spell).

Your car, if you have one, has a maximum rev limit. Would you drive around on this limit and expect the car to last the typical level of other cars? It would absolutely cook on its first proper outing. Warping the head would be a likely outcome. Nice analogy actually.

 

[TonyCarter]

Oh I am picking up what your putting down the thermal paste was a prime example today no quibbles though was easy to fix, I am curious though if its that bad why is it still on the shelf. To be clear I am not here trying to argue with you, I am clearly trying to understand that if a product is at such a failure rate how is it still on shelfs.
Surely if no fix for the fault was found to readily do the job properly that should of been pulled ??

The paste isn't terrible, it's just that the premium AIOs from Corsair have better paste pre-applied, so scraping that off and putting inferior paste on makes little sense. I don't know what paste comes pre-applied, or supplied in the box for OE, PCS or Deepcool coolers.

The PCS AIO cooler offerings are there for people with limited budgets, or lower cooling requirements (e.g. office-spec machines), or those whose demands are not extreme but still want a bit of RBG bling. On lighter demand workloads these units will last a few years, and the PCs will likely be replaced before the cooler fails...and of course can be replaced under warranty.

Same goes for the cases. Thinner metal, lower-spec fans, poor airflow...all to hit a target £.

Some people simply look at the key components (CPU, GPU, RAM size, SSD size) and don't consider (or don't have the budget to) the specifics, such as RAM speed or whether it's single/dual rank, SATA SSD or m.2 SSD, SSD speeds etc.

That's where the experts/volunteers/sausage-fingered forum members come in...and you'll also see some of us contradicting/correcting each other as a new piece of information slowly permeates our consciousnesses

 

[Durand1981]

This is kinda what I'm saying. Officially it's not a fault, it's an expectation of the hardware and it's working within it's pre-defined limits.

Those pre-defined limits have always been around the 105°C mark. Anything inside that is within spec. However, anyone who knows anything knows that a CPU running over 85°C on a desktop system is just asking for a short life.

My rig maxes out at 80°C overclocked as high as I can get it with power limits stopping it and running in "standard" mode on my cooler.

My 9900K overclocked ran 85°C daily on a H115i. I pushed it to 5.4Ghz and saw 95°C..... all within spec, but I wouldn't touch this for daily running as it's just asking for failure.

Your car, if you have one, has a maximum rev limit. Would you drive around on this limit and expect the car to last the typical level of other cars?

This makes me more curious about what i would actually need to do to push it to these temps, (just standard gaming), I mean if it were just idling for (eg) temps would be in the normal ranges. So long hours playing games assumably the temp rises and then holds the prolonged heat then induces the problem.
I assume then their is no way to minimise the issue via your workload lets say instead of having x amount of VSTi's I turn the midi samples to direct audio wav lessening the load on the CPU, but now comes the question why should you do this when the cpu supposed to be capable where does it end ??

Please excuse my random thoughts

 

[Scott]

Anything that induces an all core load for a continuous level of time is going to push those temperatures. In order to hit the hights that they have for all core workload the power usage goes through the roof. Modern day motherboards automatically "boost" the power levels to allow this to happen. Most overclocking is pre-defined nowadays, it's not called overclocking as they don't want people manually overclocking so it's forbidden with warranty fine print. It's called boosting.

There is no way to keep the chip temps in check without undervolting/underclocking/sticking on the biggest cooler you can and crossing your fingers. There is a lottery with the standard of the chip you get. Some chips will boost easier, without the same level of power that others require.

Intel have pre-defined these limits to ensure that most chips will outlive their warranty life (3 years I believe). It's a very limited warranty and quite wooley with regards to boosting levels etc. They do tend to honour the warranty, but they are covered under a lot of fine print should they choose not to (Much like the ASUS farce recently put to bed).

The predefined limit on a 13900k is 253w. This can blow straight past 300w as long as the temps are inside the pre-defined 95°C limit. When 95°C is hit, there is thermal throttling that brings the wattage down, brings the clocks/performance down in line and it holds nice and steady until your task is complete. I may be a bit off with my numbers here, this is off the top of my head, but this is the mechanism for how it works.

Intel needs these levels of power in order to hit the performance claims. This is detrimental to the longevity of the chip, but as long as they see past the 3 year warranty line, it's all good for sales and marketing. It's just the consumer that wonders why their chip performance has tanked after 500 95°C thermal cycles as it can no longer push the same clocks due to the silicone degrading. That's if they don't get an all out failure with temps spiking due to the warping giving a poor contact on the cooler of course.

Thankfully, you can buy a bracket to support the IHS and give a better contact with the cooler to prevent warping. Unfortunately, the last I checked this invalidated your warranty.

Intel is in the dog house with prosumers and non-backhanded reviewer/media/blogger outlets etc.

Nvidia are right there along with them. They're making excellent products but their pricing and tier management is abysmal.

 

[SpyderTracks]

This makes me more curious about what i would actually need to do to push it to these temps, (just standard gaming), I mean if it were just idling for (eg) temps would be in the normal ranges. So long hours playing games assumably the temp rises and then holds the prolonged heat then induces the problem.
I assume then their is no way to minimise the issue via your workload lets say instead of having x amount of VSTi's I turn the midi samples to direct audio wav lessening the load on the CPU, but now comes the question why should you do this when the cpu supposed to be capable where does it end ??

Please excuse my random thoughts

Any normal load like gaming will cause rhe cpu to throttle.

There are contact frames for this socket to prevent the issue occurring, but of course you invalidate your warranty through intel if you use one, because if they admitted it was an issue they'd have to do a recall

Thermal Grizzly's Contact Frame Reduces Alder Lake Temps by 10 Degrees Celsius

Thermal Grizzly lowers thermals.

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