Niggling questions??

[J&H]

Hello I'm new poster to forums but not a new customer to PCSpecialist.

I have ordered a computer on the 5th of November on the release of the new Ryzen CPU's.

I Compile code and build/test games, I do private High res streams/calls and 4k video editing.

I feel that this computer should be good enough for the job but as it has been 45+days now on order I switched my 3090 strix back to the standard ones on the configurator as Asus are being D***'* with their strix release of 3090.

I know that selecting RTX 3090 in configurator instead of "strix 3090" means that I may end end up with a random AIB card. I called up a while ago and was told that the main cards in at the moment are Zotac 3090's. After watching a Buildzoid video about it and I dont like the idea of how cheaply that card is built for a £1300 card..

(This is the video) It's a 40 miniute video so i dont expect you to watch it all or any of it.

Just wanted to show you that I do my research also so you dont think im coming out of nowhere.

I also watched an overall comparison video and they also say Zotac and palit cut a lot of corners..

(This is the video)

I wouldnt say there is a strict ranking and I dont really care about brand. Im focusing on build and component quality + temps.

ASUS
FE
MSI
GiGabyte
Zotac
Palit

I have not looked at evga yet.

I originally ordered with strix but then had to swap back as there is no date on when they may arrive.

I have also saved up a bit more £200-400 and am thinking maybe adding some extras.

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Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/t4ARvgg4GK/


What do you guys think about what I said about GPU's??

Sorry for the long or awkward post. I dont usually post, Im quite shy as the internet is a scary harsh place.

Thanks for reading

Kind Regards

J&H

 

[Gavras]

Stepping back a bit, why are ASUs being D**** ?

What exactly about the video, technical bits mean it’s a poor card?

Posting a video that’s 40 minutes means you understand at a technical level why it’s not a good card.

What is the exact difference between a good card and bad?


If you can answer that, then possibly will continue.

the option of course is to edit build not to include a card and source your own.

of course watching lots of GPU breakdown videos so that you get the best card.

 

[scarpa1]

Stepping back a bit, why are ASUs being D**** ?

What exactly about the video, technical bits mean it’s a poor card?

Posting a video that’s 40 minutes means you understand at a technical level why it’s not a good card.

What is the exact difference between a good card and bad?


If you can answer that, then possibly will continue.

the option of course is to edit build not to include a card and source your own.

of course watching lots of GPU breakdown videos so that you get the best card.

I got the impression the OP actually wants the ASUS card and rates it the best but their shortage of stock is the being the DIK part

 

[Gavras]

I got the impression the OP actually wants the ASUS card and rates it the best but their shortage of stock is the being the DIK part

Yeah but it’s not actually the fault of ASUS.

well it is in the they got MLCC fixation

 

[J&H]

Stepping back a bit, why are ASUs being D**** ?

What exactly about the video, technical bits mean it’s a poor card?

Posting a video that’s 40 minutes means you understand at a technical level why it’s not a good card.

What is the exact difference between a good card and bad?


If you can answer that, then possibly will continue.

the option of course is to edit build not to include a card and source your own.

of course watching lots of GPU breakdown videos so that you get the best card.

Asus are not releasing their strix non overclocked version and have given no time frame for them could be feb could be march could be april. no timeframe given. their tuf anf Strix OC has been seen about and some have got them. anyway its not the point. The main point is the quality of compnents. "I wouldnt say there is a strict ranking and I dont really care about brand. Im focusing on build and component quality + temps".. not sure if you missed that part. also wattage caps plays a part in if i want to OC the card in the future or not. What im trying to get at is that there is a difference in cards. What makes a good cards?? well what they are made out of what PCB's VRM's Watts OC headroom, TEMPS, Coolers used. many things go into a card not just what fps and RGB it gives you.

 

[J&H]

Yeah but it’s not actually the fault of ASUS.

well it is in the they got MLCC fixation

Another thing is that because what PCS have in stock atm is the zotac variant which is mostly aviable and im not sure if i want that. they said its highly likely i may end up with it. so im just wondering what other options or what ones you guys would go for and pointing out the differences. thats all

 

[Gavras]

Asus are not releasing their strix non overclocked version and have given no time frame for them could be feb could be march could be april. no timeframe given. their tuf anf Strix OC has been seen about and some have got them. anyway its not the point. The main point is the quality of compnents. "I wouldnt say there is a strict ranking and I dont really care about brand. Im focusing on build and component quality + temps".. not sure if you missed that part. also wattage caps plays a part in if i want to OC the card in the future or not. What im trying to get at is that there is a difference in cards. What makes a good cards?? well what they are made out of what PCB's VRM's Watts OC headroom, TEMPS, Coolers used. many things go into a card not just what fps and RGB it gives you.

Okay, what’s the difference between MLCC’s Or Poscaps ?

which manufacturer makes the best ones ?

is the actual components or the fan choice ?


why not just purchase your own card, that is the only way you can actually guarantee you get the card you want.


Random question, what was the failure rate difference between Zotac and Asus cards for say 2080?

 

[J&H]

Okay, what’s the difference between MLCC’s Or Poscaps ?

which manufacturer makes the best ones ?

is the actual components or the fan choice ?


why not just purchase your own card, that is the only way you can actually guarantee you get the card you want.


Random question, what was the failure rate difference between Zotac and Asus cards for say 2080?

Thats quite a complicated and deep question there. MLCC's are more complicated than POSCAPS. depending on the ceramics these MLCC capacitors have many differences depending on the ceramic used etc. they are both capacitors and they are both good at their jobs.

Im kinda trying to get a grasp of this myself and im sorry if i seem to be annoying you. im not very good at expressing myself.

Im only trying to get other peoples thoughts and ideas and experiences..

Sorry.

Just delete my post if it seems ridiculous and il just find my own way.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thats quite a complicated and deep question there. MLCC's are more complicated than POSCAPS. depending on the ceramics these MLCC capacitors have many differences depending on the ceramic used etc. they are both capacitors and they are both good at their jobs.

Im kinda trying to get a grasp of this myself and im sorry if i seem to be annoying you. im not very good at expressing myself.

Im only trying to get other peoples thoughts and ideas and experiences..

Sorry.

Just delete my post if it seems ridiculous and il just find my own way.

For your uses, you’re not going to experience any difference between a Zotac card and a strix. They’re the same chips at the heart, the zotac may be made of lesser materials, but performance is near as dammit exactly the same, certainly not worth the premium that ASUs charge for the strix.

Zotacs for years now have been very highly regarded for performance, cooling and reliability.

 

[Gavras]

Thats quite a complicated and deep question there. MLCC's are more complicated than POSCAPS. depending on the ceramics these MLCC capacitors have many differences depending on the ceramic used etc. they are both capacitors and they are both good at their jobs.

Im kinda trying to get a grasp of this myself and im sorry if i seem to be annoying you. im not very good at expressing myself.

Im only trying to get other peoples thoughts and ideas and experiences..

Sorry.

Just delete my post if it seems ridiculous and il just find my own way.

Seriously purchasing your own card and fitting it yourself sound the best approach for you.

for info, there are a limited number of MLCC manufacturers, I know both PC Partners and Asus have both purchased from Murata.

The Graphics card industry is a bit incestuous at times.

Some Parent companies such as PC Partner own a number of sub brands, for example they do a lot of work for AMD.

I have been to their plant at Dongguan and also Asus sites in China (nor Shanghai) and Taiwan, they use pretty much the same tape reel machines, same flow lines etc.


the biggest thing that impact electronics is the parts binning, pre 2016 it was usually a case that non Chinese caps where chosen as first choice, since 2016 all bets off, you can’t be choosy in a global shortage.

oh PC Partners own Zotac and some other brands But also sub contract.

 

[J&H]

For your uses, you’re not going to experience any difference between a Zotac card and a strix. They’re the same chips at the heart, the zotac may be made of lesser materials, but performance is near as dammit exactly the same, certainly not worth the premium that ASUs charge for the strix.

Zotacs for years now have been very highly regarded for performance, cooling and reliability.

ok thanks I really appreciate they constructive answer. they don't seem terrible just cheaply made components for such a "TITAN" style card. So I am just curious. the TUF, MSI Gaming Tri and GIGABYTE Gaming/Eagle all seem to be made of better components around the main chip. but like you said in use case scenarios i might not feel it/notice it or they are damn near in performance like you said. 3090 is not a cheap component and it's a tool so im just asking. thanks

 

[MrWilson]

ok thanks I really appreciate they constructive answer. they don't seem terrible just cheaply made components for such a "TITAN" style card. So I am just curious. the TUF, MSI Gaming Tri and GIGABYTE Gaming/Eagle all seem to be made of better components around the main chip. but like you said in use case scenarios i might not feel it/notice it or they are damn near in performance like you said. 3090 is not a cheap component and it's a tool so im just asking. thanks

Ultimately, as the consumer, the choice is yours. You can stick with the PCS Zotac, which should do the job. Or, if the enthusiasts on here haven’t managed to convince you, you can take the 3090 out of your build and try and self source it elsewhere.
You have no obligation to do one or the other, but it’s a big chunk of change that you’re forking out, so it’s best if you do what will give you peace of mind. If that means getting a non-Zotac card then why not? 🙂

 

[J&H]

Seriously purchasing your own card and fitting it yourself sound the best approach for you.

for info, there are a limited number of MLCC manufacturers, I know both PC Partners and Asus have both purchased from Murata.

The Graphics card industry is a bit incestuous at times.

Some Parent companies such as PC Partner own a number of sub brands, for example they do a lot of work for AMD.

I have been to their plant at Dongguan and also Asus sites in China (nor Shanghai) and Taiwan, they use pretty much the same tape reel machines, same flow lines etc.


the biggest thing that impact electronics is the parts binning, pre 2016 it was usually a case that non Chinese caps where chosen as first choice, since 2016 all bets off, you can’t be choosy in
oh PC Partners own Zotac and some other brands But also sub contract.

Thanks mate I appreciate that answer a lot.

Really cool that you have been to their plants in china also.

And you are right I can't be choosey in these times and I think that by what you guys are telling me that regardless it's still a very solid card I may settle for it. As you know its not a cheap card so I just wanted to make absolute sure that im getting the right thing. GPU industry sounds as incestuous as the car industry haha.

Thanks again

 

[J&H]

Ultimately, as the consumer, the choice is yours. You can stick with the PCS Zotac, which should do the job. Or, if the enthusiasts on here haven’t managed to convince you, you can take the 3090 out of your build and try and self source it elsewhere.
You have no obligation to do one or the other, but it’s a big chunk of change that you’re forking out, so it’s best if you do what will give you peace of mind. If that means getting a non-Zotac card then why not? 🙂

Yeah I could do that but I am in mind that it's best to get it all built, set up and tested in house by the awesome people at PCS. I already had a rig fully built by you guys and I have no complaints at all. Also the scalping out there is insane and I like my scalp it still grows hair.

 

[J&H]

Ultimately, as the consumer, the choice is yours. You can stick with the PCS Zotac, which should do the job. Or, if the enthusiasts on here haven’t managed to convince you, you can take the 3090 out of your build and try and self source it elsewhere.
You have no obligation to do one or the other, but it’s a big chunk of change that you’re forking out, so it’s best if you do what will give you peace of mind. If that means getting a non-Zotac card then why not? 🙂

By the way is there an alternative to the H115I RGB platinum cooler that is just as good but with Less RGB??? Im not so big on RGB myself. I think that Platinum is the best cooler PCS have atm right?

 

[Gavras]

Yeah I could do that but I am in mind that it's best to get it all built, set up and tested in house by the awesome people at PCS. I already had a rig fully built by you guys and I have no complaints at all. Also the scalping out there is insane and I like my scalp it still grows hair.

The main thing I would be looking at is your build and cooling

have you got an up to date build link?

 

[Gavras]

By the way is there an alternative to the H115I RGB platinum cooler that is just as good but with Less RGB??? Im not so big on RGB myself. I think that Platinum is the best cooler PCS have atm right?

The 115i XT

THE LIGHTS CAN be turned off.

 

[J&H]

The main thing I would be looking at is your build and cooling

have you got an up to date buil

The main thing I would be looking at is your build and cooling

have you got an up to date build link?

everytime i go to the updated one and i click on the link it takes me back to the old set up.. not sure why..

 

[Gavras]

Cache needs cleared

 

[J&H]

Cache needs cleared

Cleared cache on chrome and its still giving me the first inital set up and not the updated one. Im feeling special now.