PC FOR 8K VIDEO WATCHING & PHOTO 4K VIDEO EDITING?

[slagro]

Hello everyone,
I want to order a PC with below specs I have chosen and need your advice, please.
I do not play games but need it for photo editing (Sony A7R3 raw photos are very heavy especially panorama consisting of 4-10 photos together), 4k video editing and also hoping for 8k video watching (8k videos will be recorded with Canon R5 I plan to get asap) with Samsung 8k TV, although I am not sure it is possible?
Please advice.
Thanks in advance.

Case
FRACTAL MESHIFY C BLACK GAMING CASE (Window)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i9 Eight Core Processor i9-9900K (3.6GHz) 16MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2400MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
1TB PCS 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 470MB/W)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB Intel® H10 NVMe SSD + 32GB Intel® Optane™ (upto 2400MB/sR | 1800MB/sW)
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H60 2018 Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster® Audigy™ FX OEM
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

 

[ccalum07]

I'm on here also looking for advice, which so far is not forthcoming so figured I may as well reply to you so I can let you know what I learned.
For video editing you need cores, lots of them and lots of ram. Unless you use Davince Resolve you'll not need the high performance GPU (assuming you wont play games on it either). I use Photoshop and Premiere Pro and they reply heavily on the CPU and RAM.

On that basis I would suggest you check out the AMD Ryzen 12 or 16 core chip, lose the Intel and add more RAM up to 64Gb. For the GPU I found the 1060 Super to be a great price/performance compromise.
Price should be around the same level but performance for editing should be up by 30% or more with the AMD and more RAM.
You could also move up to 3000Mhz or 3200Mhz RAM as this will not cause stability issues on the new Ryzen chip but will give you a bit better performance. But the slower RAM is also fine if you want to save money, it's only really critical for games with a high refresh rate demand.

I would also say that water cooling is not required unless you plan on overclocking heavily, the stock cooler that comes with the 3900x is great for general use, the 3950x does not come with a cooler but the Noctua is a beast, I've had one of these before and its amazing, half the price of water cooling and much more reliable and safe for the processor in the event of a water pump failure (you wouldn't know unless you had alarms set).

To qualify my comments, this is based on weeks of reading reviews, watching comparisons (on youtube) and playing with configurations to get the best price/performance across Mac/PC and various component manufacturers, I spent 4 hours last night boring my wife by watching video reviews on motherboards.. She wasn't impressed!
But yea I'm not an expert, just a very interested buyer myself.

Good luck!

 

[Scott]

There's no mention of budget so I'm not sure how high to take the specs. The following is an EXCELLENT editing system and should cover just about every need you would have.

The only thing to consider is whether you wanted to push the boat out for the 3950X. It will slash rendering time with the video editing but it's quite a jump in price.

There's no need to go higher than the 2060 Super, but again if you wanted to... the 2070 Super would give that boost for rendering effects with the video. It depends on your level of video editing really, similarly with the CPU.

If you feed back with budget and level of video editing we can narrow it down a little further.

When posting up configurations, if you could copy the entire page including the link at the bottom it makes it far easier to go in and view/tweak etc. Just click the link at the bottom of this page to take you into the spec below.

Case
CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 500D SE CASE
Processor (CPU)
AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 12 Core CPU (3.8GHz-4.6GHz/70MB CACHE/AM4)
Motherboard
ASUS® ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING (USB 3.2 Gen 2, PCIe 4.0) - RGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
64GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 32GB)
Graphics Card
8GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 SUPER - HDMI, DP - VR Ready!
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB SEAGATE FIRECUDA 520 GEN 4 PCIe NVMe (up to 5000MB/R, 4400MB/W)
2nd M.2 SSD Drive
500GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 3200MB/W)
DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
NOT REQUIRED
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT (Wi-Fi NOT INCLUDED)
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
NO RECOVERY MEDIA REQUIRED
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Google Chrome™
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 12 to 14 working days
Price: £2,418.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/amd-am4-gen3-pc/Pw5!tWffxZ/

 

[Scott]

I'm on here also looking for advice, which so far is not forthcoming so figured I may as well reply to you so I can let you know what I learned.
For video editing you need cores, lots of them and lots of ram. Unless you use Davince Resolve you'll not need the high performance GPU (assuming you wont play games on it either). I use Photoshop and Premiere Pro and they reply heavily on the CPU and RAM.

On that basis I would suggest you check out the AMD Ryzen 12 or 16 core chip, lose the Intel and add more RAM up to 64Gb. For the GPU I found the 1060 Super to be a great price/performance compromise.
Price should be around the same level but performance for editing should be up by 30% or more with the AMD and more RAM.
You could also move up to 3000Mhz or 3200Mhz RAM as this will not cause stability issues on the new Ryzen chip but will give you a bit better performance. But the slower RAM is also fine if you want to save money, it's only really critical for games with a high refresh rate demand.

I would also say that water cooling is not required unless you plan on overclocking heavily, the stock cooler that comes with the 3900x is great for general use, the 3950x does not come with a cooler but the Noctua is a beast, I've had one of these before and its amazing, half the price of water cooling and much more reliable and safe for the processor in the event of a water pump failure (you wouldn't know unless you had alarms set).

To qualify my comments, this is based on weeks of reading reviews, watching comparisons (on youtube) and playing with configurations to get the best price/performance across Mac/PC and various component manufacturers, I spent 4 hours last night boring my wife by watching video reviews on motherboards.. She wasn't impressed!
But yea I'm not an expert, just a very interested buyer myself.

Good luck!

Good advice in general but you're a bit out of date regarding the RAM & cooling. The Noctua, and all air cooling, just isn't going to cut the mustard with any high end system regarding boost clocks. They just can't cope and the case temps with such coolers go through the roof. Pump failures and any other failures are just as likely as fan failures on the air coolers so that's just hearsay from people against watercooling in general (IMO of course). There was a time years ago where there were drawbacks but those have been eliminated, failure rate is the same as any component now and you would know straight away when the temps went too high...... as with an air cooler.

The Noctua also isn't half the price of water cooling. You can get a 240mm Coolermaster water cooler for less than the Noctua (50% less). The PCS options are there too. The H115i RGB is just the pinnacle at this level, hence why it's recommended.

RAM speed matters also, especially with video editing. At this level (when the CPUs are high frequency and multi-core) the RAM speed needs to be up there just to keep up. With high res images photoshop will also benefit from higher frequency RAM. At such a high level system it would be insane not to go for faster RAM given the price difference, %age wise it's minuscule. The better the software (which will improve over years) the more it will utilise the faster speeds of RAM. I would be kicking myself if I bought 64GB of mediocre RAM in a 2k+ system only to find my layout benefited from it.

 

[ccalum07]

Good advice in general but you're a bit out of date regarding the RAM & cooling. The Noctua, and all air cooling, just isn't going to cut the mustard with any high end system regarding boost clocks. They just can't cope and the case temps with such coolers go through the roof. Pump failures and any other failures are just as likely as fan failures on the air coolers so that's just hearsay from people against watercooling in general (IMO of course). There was a time years ago where there were drawbacks but those have been eliminated, failure rate is the same as any component now and you would know straight away when the temps went too high...... as with an air cooler.

The Noctua also isn't half the price of water cooling. You can get a 240mm Coolermaster water cooler for less than the Noctua (50% less). The PCS options are there too. The H115i RGB is just the pinnacle at this level, hence why it's recommended.

RAM speed matters also, especially with video editing. At this level (when the CPUs are high frequency and multi-core) the RAM speed needs to be up there just to keep up. With high res images photoshop will also benefit from higher frequency RAM. At such a high level system it would be insane not to go for faster RAM given the price difference, %age wise it's minuscule. The better the software (which will improve over years) the more it will utilise the faster speeds of RAM. I would be kicking myself if I bought 64GB of mediocre RAM in a 2k+ system only to find my layout benefited from it.

Your specified system is very close to the one I posted, which I suppose is a good sign!
Regards my out of date info, it's based on tests and comparisons done on YouTube and on websites recently, you may be right, but I can only go on what I'm told by others - which is why I posted on here in the first place.
I did say that higher speed ram is more advisable but that cheaper may be suitable if price was a consideration. Please ref the below -

Does RAM speed affect video editing performance?

While we generally stick to the RAM speed that is officially supported by a processor, we get a lot of comments claiming that we are limiting performance by not using higher frequency memory. This begs the question: does RAM speed actually impact real-world performance in video editing applications?

www.pugetsystems.com

Does RAM speed affect video editing performance?
In our testing, we found that whether higher frequency RAM improves performance or not depends heavily on both the application and the CPU used. Some (Neat Video) showed a fairly substantial benefit going up to DDR4-3600 with both the Core i9 9900K and Ryzen 9 3900X processors. Others (Photoshop) also saw a benefit, but not to as significant of a degree. At the same time, both Premiere Pro and After Effects really didn't see a significant performance advantage with higher frequency RAM, regardless of the CPU.

While we primarily want to focus on pure performance in this article, a key consideration is also overall system stability and reliability. Using RAM that is beyond what is officially supported by your CPU is technically overclocking and carries many of the same risks as more "traditional" CPU overclocking.

This absolutely does not mean that higher frequency RAM will always be less stable, but it is going to depend highly on the quality of your RAM, motherboard, power supply, and other components in your system. However, even with some of the highest quality parts you can currently purchase (Crucial RAM, Gigabyte motherboard, EVGA PSU, etc.), we did see a noticeable increase in the number of times our benchmarks crashed as we used higher and higher frequency RAM. It is always hard to know what is to blame (our benchmark itself, early platform bugs, a single weak component, etc.), which is why we did not want to focus on the details of stability in this post.

Overall, our recommendation for most users is to stick with the RAM speed that is officially supported by your CPU in order to maximize the stability of your system. If you are looking to get every ounce of performance, however, there are some applications (Photoshop and NeatBench from what we tested) that can to potentially get up to ~13% higher performance with DDR4-3600 RAM. Just keep in mind that this performance is definitely not "free" - just like CPU overclocking, it is possible that it may cause more problems than the extra performance will solve and may require a bit of tinkering in the BIOS to get it stable over the life of your system.

Regards the cooling, again you may be right and I have zero experince with water cooling, I'm just going on anecdotal information -

But Like I said, I've had only fan cooling for my whole PC building life so maybe I'm just a dinosaur!

Anyway cheers for the feedback, if you could find my post from last night and give your critique that would be cool.

 

[Scott]

I totally agree with everything in those paragraphs regarding RAM (I can't watch the video right now re the watercooling).

To pick out some notes:

The article relates to using RAM overclocked to what the processor can handle. 3200Mhz is native on the AMD chips so not overclocking in any way. 2400Mhz RAM would be DOWN-clocking the CPU and thus have a performance impact.

All softwares mentioned will either have zero impact or a positive impact. There are NO instabilities here as all recommendations are in regards to native speed for the CPU.

In the future, more software will make more use of faster speeds.


In regards to the water cooling argument...

The video doesn't have the current gen coolers, it's an old argument.
The high end water cooling WILL cool a chip/system better than air
Stick a Noctua onto a 3950X, maximise all cores in a closed case for a couple of hours rendering and see how your boost clocks perform (spoiler alert... they won't).
Check out every single one of Linus's builds and show me how many have Air coolers on them....... spoiler alert... none.

I honestly know first hand the difference with these. There is a gimmick end to all this, anything under a H80i is completely pointless.... the H80i itself is pointless as it's only as good as the Noctua where the Noctua is cheaper and less hassle.

Air coolers, decent ones, weigh a TON and hang off the motherboard... think about it.

 

[slagro]

Many thanks for your excellent suggestions. I will study them after work.
However, it is also very important for me to be able to watch recorded by me 8k videos using the combo (the above PC with 8k card with SAMSUNG QE55Q950RBTXXU 55" Smart 8K HDR QLED TV). I am not asking about editing in 8k but just watching.
Could you please confirm it will be possible or I have to wait.
Thanks in advance.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Many thanks for your excellent suggestions. I will study them after work.
However, it is also very important for me to be able to watch recorded by me 8k videos using the combo (the above PC with 8k card with SAMSUNG QE55Q950RBTXXU 55" Smart 8K HDR QLED TV). I am not asking about editing in 8k but just watching.
Could you please confirm it will be possible or I have to wait.
Thanks in advance.

You don’t need a 2080ti to do 8k output over DP, a 1660 Super would be just as good.

But if your editing software uses hardware acceleration then a 2080ti would make sense.

 

[Scott]

Many thanks for your excellent suggestions. I will study them after work.
However, it is also very important for me to be able to watch recorded by me 8k videos using the combo (the above PC with 8k card with SAMSUNG QE55Q950RBTXXU 55" Smart 8K HDR QLED TV). I am not asking about editing in 8k but just watching.
Could you please confirm it will be possible or I have to wait.
Thanks in advance.

Watching any video doesn't require particularly heavy processing so this system will manage it with ease.

 

[slagro]

Thank you SpyderTracks and Scott, interesting, I thought only RTX 2080 ti supports 8K video.
By "1660 Super" you mean Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti? Does this card support 8k resolution?
So for heavy photo editing and watching 8k this card will be sufficient?
I don't want to spend too much on PC as I also need to purchase 8k tv and canon r5 when it appears

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you SpyderTracks and Scott, interesting, I thought only RTX 2080 ti supports 8K video.
By "1660 Super" you mean Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti? Does this card support 8k resolution?
So for heavy photo editing and watching 8k this card will be sufficient?
I don't want to spend too much on PC as I also need to purchase 8k tv and canon r5 when it appears

No 1660 Super, it replaced the TI

 

[Scott]

Thank you SpyderTracks and Scott, interesting, I thought only RTX 2080 ti supports 8K video.
By "1660 Super" you mean Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti? Does this card support 8k resolution?
So for heavy photo editing and watching 8k this card will be sufficient?
I don't want to spend too much on PC as I also need to purchase 8k tv and canon r5 when it appears

Your initial query had editing 4k as one of the priorities. If you don't want to edit anything then the 1660 Super is more than enough.

Editing high end 4k and high resolution photoshop use will benefit from a much better GPU, it's all in line with what you had suggested from the beginning though along with your budget. If any of this changes you need to let us know so that we can factor in any changes.

The 2060 Super was recommended by myself, as that is a decent start for photo/video editing.

 

[slagro]

Your initial query had editing 4k as one of the priorities. If you don't want to edit anything then the 1660 Super is more than enough.

Editing high end 4k and high resolution photoshop use will benefit from a much better GPU, it's all in line with what you had suggested from the beginning though along with your budget. If any of this changes you need to let us know so that we can factor in any changes.

The 2060 Super was recommended by myself, as that is a decent start for photo/video editing.

Thanks, Editing 4k video is not my priority but sometimes do it and I may even do it often if I see that it is fluent and fast.
My priority is editing high-resolution photos in PS and Lightroom and ability to watch 8k video when I will get the right tv and camera.
I also thought today about 2060 super as price shouldn't be much higher than suggested 1660s and it seems to be a better card.
May I know why you suggested AMD instead of Intel? Is it better value for money for my needs?
Thanks again

 

[slagro]

I'm on here also looking for advice, which so far is not forthcoming so figured I may as well reply to you so I can let you know what I learned.
For video editing you need cores, lots of them and lots of ram. Unless you use Davince Resolve you'll not need the high performance GPU (assuming you wont play games on it either). I use Photoshop and Premiere Pro and they reply heavily on the CPU and RAM.

On that basis I would suggest you check out the AMD Ryzen 12 or 16 core chip, lose the Intel and add more RAM up to 64Gb. For the GPU I found the 1060 Super to be a great price/performance compromise.
Price should be around the same level but performance for editing should be up by 30% or more with the AMD and more RAM.
You could also move up to 3000Mhz or 3200Mhz RAM as this will not cause stability issues on the new Ryzen chip but will give you a bit better performance. But the slower RAM is also fine if you want to save money, it's only really critical for games with a high refresh rate demand.

I would also say that water cooling is not required unless you plan on overclocking heavily, the stock cooler that comes with the 3900x is great for general use, the 3950x does not come with a cooler but the Noctua is a beast, I've had one of these before and its amazing, half the price of water cooling and much more reliable and safe for the processor in the event of a water pump failure (you wouldn't know unless you had alarms set).

To qualify my comments, this is based on weeks of reading reviews, watching comparisons (on youtube) and playing with configurations to get the best price/performance across Mac/PC and various component manufacturers, I spent 4 hours last night boring my wife by watching video reviews on motherboards.. She wasn't impressed!
But yea I'm not an expert, just a very interested buyer myself.

Good luck!

Very sorry for the late response mate but I have finally managed to read your great suggestions carefully and will take them into consideration. Thank you very much.