Potential gaming laptop (valeon vs recoil)

[Icyseanfitz]

Hey guys, debating buying a gaming laptop over the next few weeks and I am curious about which to go for with pcs. Budget would be max 3k so I'm looking for as high end as I can get, I've been looking at the 17 valeon and 17 recoil.

Tbh the laptop will be hooked up to an ultra wide 1440p and wireless keyboard and mouse the majority of the time so don't mind if I'll get better value with a 15 model laptop.

Guess I'm a bit confused with regards the valeon vs the recoil, I can get a 17 valeon with a 5900hx, 32gigs of 3200 ram, a 3080 and 1t m.2 drive for €2700 whereas if I spec a 17 recoil the same (bar the ram being slower and the CPU being an i5 11600k which is worse I'd assume) it is coming in at €3300. Why is there such a price difference? Does the recoil have much better cooling and so performance vs the valeon? Are the 15 models comparable with cooling and performance?

I'm looking to buy top end but at the same time don't really see the benefit of the recoil vs the valeon, Any advice on what way to go would be appreciated.

 

[Tron1982]

Hello,

First, to answer your question, the valeon is a laptop, with a laptop gpu and cpu but, the recoil is a Desktop Replacement with a laptop gpu but with a full desktop cpu.
They are from two different manufacturers (the valeon come from tongfang and the recoil come from clevo - i prefer clevo, as the previous tongfang generation had some issues, even if for the current one, it look like they improved it ^^) and the recoil is really more bigger than the valeon (and more power hungry, you need 2 power brick to uses it to the best of it's capacities)

Then, what will be your use ?
What's the max budget ?
(and where are you from, to know what kind of vat you'll have with your purchase ^^)

If you want to have some feedback, you can look at @barlew review of his valeon or my review of the 17 recoil (you have to know that now, pcs offer better screen instead of the one i have with my purchase). You can look at our benchmark results too ^^

Finaly, you can take a look at the destian, a desktop replacement with amd cpu up to the 5900x and the 3070 gpu (i think it's one of the best performance for money value laptop pcs can offer)

 

[barlew]

Hello,

First, to answer your question, the valeon is a laptop, with a laptop gpu and cpu but, the recoil is a Desktop Replacement with a laptop gpu but with a full desktop cpu.
They are from two different manufacturers (the valeon come from tongfang and the recoil come from clevo - i prefer clevo, as the previous tongfang generation had some issues, even if for the current one, it look like they improved it ^^) and the recoil is really more bigger than the valeon (and more power hungry, you need 2 power brick to uses it to the best of it's capacities)

Then, what will be your use ?
What's the max budget ?
(and where are you from, to know what kind of vat you'll have with your purchase ^^)

If you want to have some feedback, you can look at @barlew review of his valeon or my review of the 17 recoil (you have to know that now, pcs offer better screen instead of the one i have with my purchase). You can look at our benchmark results too ^^

Finaly, you can take a look at the destian, a desktop replacement with amd cpu up to the 5900x and the 3070 gpu (i think it's one of the best performance for money value laptop pcs can offer)

@Icyseanfitz I just want to point out a couple of things.

1. You need to understand that that recoil is absolutely enormous as @Tron1982 has already alluded too.
2. Whilst the Valeon is technically not a DTR it would massively outperform the Recoil spec you have referenced in your post. If you look at the laptop benchmark leader board the Valeon's with 3080's, when correctly configured are outperforming the I7-11700K, RTX 3080, Recoils and the Valeons with the 3070's are basically on par with them.

I am firmly in the camp that DTR's have had their day, especially now that mobile CPU's have become so powerful.

 

[Icyseanfitz]

Thanks guys, think from what ye are saying I'll be going towards the valeon, I just can't justify spending at least 500 extra for the recoil just to have a desktop CPU. Max budget is around 3k, and I live in Ireland so I believe there should be no import tax (I use pcspecialist.ie to spec the laptops which is an Irish domain).

Hoping the laptop will work as a replacement for a gaming rig (6700k + 1080ti) for 3 to 5 years, after having a baby so I figure being able to move my pc around as needed will be invaluable, on top of using geforce (3080 tier) now quite a lot I'd imagine a good gaming laptop that can be hooked up to a monitor or TV will be perfect.

 

[Icyseanfitz]

I suppose another valid question is would it be worth waiting a few months before ordering, are there any new mobile GPU or CPU variants coming soon?

 

[Icyseanfitz]

Hello,

First, to answer your question, the valeon is a laptop, with a laptop gpu and cpu but, the recoil is a Desktop Replacement with a laptop gpu but with a full desktop cpu.
They are from two different manufacturers (the valeon come from tongfang and the recoil come from clevo - i prefer clevo, as the previous tongfang generation had some issues, even if for the current one, it look like they improved it ^^) and the recoil is really more bigger than the valeon (and more power hungry, you need 2 power brick to uses it to the best of it's capacities)

Then, what will be your use ?
What's the max budget ?
(and where are you from, to know what kind of vat you'll have with your purchase ^^)

If you want to have some feedback, you can look at @barlew review of his valeon or my review of the 17 recoil (you have to know that now, pcs offer better screen instead of the one i have with my purchase). You can look at our benchmark results too ^^

Finaly, you can take a look at the destian, a desktop replacement with amd cpu up to the 5900x and the 3070 gpu (i think it's one of the best performance for money value laptop pcs can offer)

That destian is really interesting with a 5900x 12 core, pity it doesn't have a 3080 option

 

[KriSta]

I suppose another valid question is would it be worth waiting a few months before ordering, are there any new mobile GPU or CPU variants coming soon?

There will be new laptop models coming out soon with Intel Alder Lake 12th Gen CPU and DDR5 RAM and the newer GeForce RTX 3070 and 3080Ti GPU`s . AMD will at the same time also release the Ryzen 6000 series CPU which will also feature DDR5 RAM and these new nVidia GPU`s . Which one of these that will be the most powerful , time will tell ... but they will for sure perform better than current Intel 11th Gen CPU`s .

 

[Icyseanfitz]

There will be new laptop models coming out soon with Intel Alder Lake 12th Gen CPU and DDR5 RAM and the newer GeForce RTX 3070 and 3080Ti GPU`s . AMD will at the same time also release the Ryzen 6000 series CPU which will also feature DDR5 RAM and these new nVidia GPU`s . Which one of these that will be the most powerful , time will tell ... but they will for sure perform better than current Intel 11th Gen CPU`s .

Might be worth saving and holding off a little so

 

[Tron1982]

Might be worth saving and holding off a little so

If you don't need it right now, i think this is also the "best" option ^^