Some General Questions About PCS' Gaming Laptops

Fuzzball

Bronze Level Poster
So I got myself a nice gaming laptop from PC Specialist three years ago. It’s done me well, but what with the new console generation and modern games’ increasing hardware demands, I think it’s about time to upgrade. But before I start asking about possible builds in the “Check this spec!” forums, I wanted to ask some more general questions about the laptop options PCS offers, so I can work out exactly what I’m after. This post may be a bit long, but it’s just because I like to clearly articulate what I’m asking so that responders can be as helpful as possible.

Obviously I realise that when it comes to gaming performance, desktops are better than laptops, but my life circumstances happen to mean that a laptop is much more practical. What I’m looking for is a system that can run games at a steady 1080p/60fps, with older/less demanding games on mostly Ultra graphics settings, and modern/demanding games on Medium-High settings.


But before all my main questions… Is there a particular time of year that PCS refreshes/changes what hardware they sell? I’ve been tinkering with build options for a while now, and have seen some components appear and disappear. NVIDIA has recently announced new, powerful desktop GPUs, although as far as I’m aware there isn’t any info on mobile models. If something new comes along, will it change the price of the currently available options? Is there a regularly scheduled time of year where prices all change?


1) GPUs: I think the most important thing to me when playing games is a stable performance without much stuttering or screen tearing. So I was wondering if the GTX 900M series of GPUs (i.e. 970M, 980M) can utilise adaptive v-sync/variable refresh rate; where v-sync only activates once the framerate is above the monitor refresh rate (60fps). My previous laptop
(with a GTX 675MX) never gave me this option in the NVIDIA Control Panel, so I wonder if it’s something mobile GPUs don’t usually do… Or is it dependant on the screen’s hardware? I really hate screen tearing, so this is a very important thing I need to find out.

I know that some of PCS’ laptops have 970M/980M cards with the G-SYNC ability. From what I understand this gives the same function as adaptive v-sync, but works in a different way. However, these GPU options are much more expensive, so that’s why I’m wondering if the cheaper options available can do regular adaptive v-sync.

2) CPUs: How do laptop CPUs compare to those of desktops? I know that a mobile version of a graphics card will not be as powerful as the desktop equivalent model number, but I wonder if that’s the same with CPUs. Will pretty much any i7 CPU be good for modern gaming and day-to-day work? Or on a laptop do I need to have a higher-end model?

3) Disk Drive: How come pretty much all the laptop models available can’t have a CD/Bluray drive built into them? I know that people tend to be moving away from physical media, but I still think it’s useful to have the ability to access it built in. My previous PCS laptop was able to have and SSD, HDD and a disc drive, so I wonder why that’s not an option anymore.

4) Sound Cards: An issue I noticed immediately on my previous PCS laptop was a background hissing sound when I plugged in and used headphones. I’m not sure it’s an issue everyone can hear, but it’s something I always noticed. I think I heard an explanation once that this hissing is because the sound card inside the laptop is surrounded by so many other hardware components in a small space that there is interference. I don’t know for certain if this is the reason though.

This seems to be a variable problem affected by several factors. I remember on the SONY VAIO laptop I had before my last PCS one, I never noticed any sound issues when using headphones, whereas I did notice a similar issue when plugging headphones into a desktop tower at a university library. I immediately noticed the problem on my PCS laptop when using my in-ear headphones, so tried buying some other over-ear headphones. This reduced the hissing, but did not eliminate it completely, so evidently this is a problem that can be somewhat mitigated by the headphones being used.

So what I’m asking is if anyone else is aware of this kind of problem? Do more recently developed sound cards eliminate this “interference problem” or is there always going to be hissing? But then why was it not present on a SONY laptop…? From what I can see in the PCS build options, there are no choices over any laptop’s built-in sound card, but I could try buying an extra external one. I don’t really want to do that, and when I tested out an external card before, it didn’t fix the issue (although that was a pretty cheap, basic external sound card).

5) OS: I’ve used Windows 7 for many years now, and am rather stuck in my ways. Still from what I can see Windows 10 is very similar in functionality and performs well. I’ve seen a lot of complaints about some of the default settings concerning advertising and privacy, but these are all easily adjustable, correct? More importantly for me, is there known to be any major issues regarding Windows 10 and particular PC games or programs? I’m sure there’s always going to be unexplainable glitches from time to time, and I imagine some of the problems people report are due to them upgrading their existing OS to Windows 10, which confuses the compatibility with already installed games/programs. But I’m just asking if any general problematic trends are known?

Also, how much hard drive space does Windows 10 take up? I plan to get a laptop with an SSD and a HDD, so want to know how much of that SSD will be taken up by the OS.

6) WiFi/Wireless: I don’t understand how the “Bluetooth & Wireless” options when building a laptop differ. If I choose one of the “killer gaming” options, will it actually have any effect on my download/upload speeds? Surely that’s much more dependent on the Internet supplier in my home?

7) Power Cable: When experimenting with some PCS build combinations I’ve found that the website tells me I need to choose a power lead with higher wattage to be able to function with certain components (e.g. GTX 980M). Now physics was never my strong suit, so here is a very stupid question: If I were to get a power lead with a higher wattage than is strictly required for the laptop’s components, would this have an effect on function/performance? I’m assuming reality doesn’t work in the simplistic way of “Add more power, things run better!”

Does requiring a higher wattage power lead have any effect on what happens when I unplug the laptop and run it on battery?

8) Keyboard: Small question. Are the light up colours of PCS’ laptop keyboards adjustable? I’ve been happy with my current laptop having a blue backlight to the keys, but I think the multi-coloured keyboard lighting of the 17.3” Octane II (for example) is quite garish. Can I adjust it to just one colour?


Wow, that’s a lot of questions! Like I said, I try to be very thorough. I appreciate any responses and explanations I receive, and I’m really looking forward to soon getting a powerful laptop for modern gaming!
 

daveeb

Enthusiast
Hi Fuzzball

I can answer some of your questions, tho' I don't know about the GPU question, and i'm not sure about the CPU or sound card though I can say my i7 has been fine with all games.

Like you i've wondered why an internal blu ray drive option is rarer than hens teeth these days. I suspect the chassis design is getting thinner/smaller consequently components that a lot of people don't want anymore are the first to go. I suspect you could have one fitted but at the expense of a storage drive, i'd ask PCS directly.

There have been problems with windows updates and nvidia drivers, I think that has been sorted, if not as a last resort you could always turn off windows update which seems to cause some problems (apparently can be done but harder than it used to be).

The killer card is very good, i've got one, and there seem to be lots of complaints about the reliability of the Intel wireless cards. I'd definitely recommend the Killer.

As for the backlighting, some models are one colour only, some multi, but there's always a one colour option via Hotkey.

Power wise the laptop will only draw what it needs, I assume you're talking about the power brick, getting a higher spec one should be fine. I would imagine the power leads are all the same.

Hope my ramblings have been some help.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
2) CPUs: How do laptop CPUs compare to those of desktops? I know that a mobile version of a graphics card will not be as powerful as the desktop equivalent model number, but I wonder if that’s the same with CPUs. Will pretty much any i7 CPU be good for modern gaming and day-to-day work? Or on a laptop do I need to have a higher-end model?

Here are some benchmarks of CPUs comparing laptop CPUs to desktop ones: http://tinyurl.com/jedfsr9
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
But before all my main questions… Is there a particular time of year that PCS refreshes/changes what hardware they sell? I’ve been tinkering with build options for a while now, and have seen some components appear and disappear. NVIDIA has recently announced new, powerful desktop GPUs, although as far as I’m aware there isn’t any info on mobile models. If something new comes along, will it change the price of the currently available options? Is there a regularly scheduled time of year where prices all change?


1) GPUs: I think the most important thing to me when playing games is a stable performance without much stuttering or screen tearing. So I was wondering if the GTX 900M series of GPUs (i.e. 970M, 980M) can utilise adaptive v-sync/variable refresh rate; where v-sync only activates once the framerate is above the monitor refresh rate (60fps). My previous laptop
(with a GTX 675MX) never gave me this option in the NVIDIA Control Panel, so I wonder if it’s something mobile GPUs don’t usually do… Or is it dependant on the screen’s hardware? I really hate screen tearing, so this is a very important thing I need to find out.

I know that some of PCS’ laptops have 970M/980M cards with the G-SYNC ability. From what I understand this gives the same function as adaptive v-sync, but works in a different way. However, these GPU options are much more expensive, so that’s why I’m wondering if the cheaper options available can do regular adaptive v-sync.

Adaptive sync is a recent feature to nvidia cards and only available on 800m and 900m series mobile cards. All the range support it. G-Sync is far superior though, really does give a whole new level to smooth.

2) CPUs: How do laptop CPUs compare to those of desktops? I know that a mobile version of a graphics card will not be as powerful as the desktop equivalent model number, but I wonder if that’s the same with CPUs. Will pretty much any i7 CPU be good for modern gaming and day-to-day work? Or on a laptop do I need to have a higher-end model?

Laptop CPU's are quite a lot less powerful than dekstops. Generally a desktop i5 has around the same power as an equivalent mobile i7. i7 is the sweetspot for mobile gaming unless you look at the octane which has deskstop CPU's.

3) Disk Drive: How come pretty much all the laptop models available can’t have a CD/Bluray drive built into them? I know that people tend to be moving away from physical media, but I still think it’s useful to have the ability to access it built in. My previous PCS laptop was able to have and SSD, HDD and a disc drive, so I wonder why that’s not an option anymore.

Most of the laptops have DVD drive space, but now that chassis are so thin, some of them can only house 2 2.5" devices, weather that's 1 hard disk and a DVD drive or 2 disks is up to you. For more space you need the higher end builds. Like you say, DVD drives are being phased out and I doubt will be available at all on future models, they're just not used anymore, everythings digital these days. You can buy external DVD drives very cheap.

4) Sound Cards: An issue I noticed immediately on my previous PCS laptop was a background hissing sound when I plugged in and used headphones. I’m not sure it’s an issue everyone can hear, but it’s something I always noticed. I think I heard an explanation once that this hissing is because the sound card inside the laptop is surrounded by so many other hardware components in a small space that there is interference. I don’t know for certain if this is the reason though.

This seems to be a variable problem affected by several factors. I remember on the SONY VAIO laptop I had before my last PCS one, I never noticed any sound issues when using headphones, whereas I did notice a similar issue when plugging headphones into a desktop tower at a university library. I immediately noticed the problem on my PCS laptop when using my in-ear headphones, so tried buying some other over-ear headphones. This reduced the hissing, but did not eliminate it completely, so evidently this is a problem that can be somewhat mitigated by the headphones being used.

So what I’m asking is if anyone else is aware of this kind of problem? Do more recently developed sound cards eliminate this “interference problem” or is there always going to be hissing? But then why was it not present on a SONY laptop…? From what I can see in the PCS build options, there are no choices over any laptop’s built-in sound card, but I could try buying an extra external one. I don’t really want to do that, and when I tested out an external card before, it didn’t fix the issue (although that was a pretty cheap, basic external sound card).

That issue is a grounding issue in the headphone jack causing the sound, it can happen on any motherboard, if it occurs you're eligible for an RMA to get it fixed/replaced. External soundcard would bypass that issue and is a workaround, but I stress that that's a defect of the motherboard and not something that should be lived with.

5) OS: I’ve used Windows 7 for many years now, and am rather stuck in my ways. Still from what I can see Windows 10 is very similar in functionality and performs well. I’ve seen a lot of complaints about some of the default settings concerning advertising and privacy, but these are all easily adjustable, correct? More importantly for me, is there known to be any major issues regarding Windows 10 and particular PC games or programs? I’m sure there’s always going to be unexplainable glitches from time to time, and I imagine some of the problems people report are due to them upgrading their existing OS to Windows 10, which confuses the compatibility with already installed games/programs. But I’m just asking if any general problematic trends are known?

All telemetry settings on Windows 10 can be disabled and you're asked to do so when you first run it and set up user accounts etc. Don't believe all the nonsense you hear about Windows 10, it's generally from people who don't know how to configure it to their liking. I haven't had any problems with windows 10 with any programs, but I do only use modern programs, so haven't had to look at much compatibility stuff. Worth researching if you use any old programs to verify they'll work as with any OS upgrade. Worth mentioning that Windows 7 is a pain to install on skylake (new cpu) chipsets (not fully supported) and needs a lot of tweaking, it's not just a simple install.

Also, how much hard drive space does Windows 10 take up? I plan to get a laptop with an SSD and a HDD, so want to know how much of that SSD will be taken up by the OS.

Depends on how much RAM you have as the pagefile will equal that, so roughly 30Gb I'd say just for windows alone.

6) WiFi/Wireless: I don’t understand how the “Bluetooth & Wireless” options when building a laptop differ. If I choose one of the “killer gaming” options, will it actually have any effect on my download/upload speeds? Surely that’s much more dependent on the Internet supplier in my home?

The various wifi options are standard speeds, so you have wireless AC (new wireless standard that took over "n") which is anywhere from 867mbs up to 1.69Gbs, so there's a pretty major difference in speed. It all depends if your wireless setup at home can support those speeds of course, if you have a wireless N router, you won't get AC speeds. The killer card is supposed to reduce latency on the connection so is better for online gaming mmorpg's and fps games.

7) Power Cable: When experimenting with some PCS build combinations I’ve found that the website tells me I need to choose a power lead with higher wattage to be able to function with certain components (e.g. GTX 980M). Now physics was never my strong suit, so here is a very stupid question: If I were to get a power lead with a higher wattage than is strictly required for the laptop’s components, would this have an effect on function/performance? I’m assuming reality doesn’t work in the simplistic way of “Add more power, things run better!”

This is usually down to the graphics card you select needing more power as the card itself uses a lot more to get the higher details and textures etc. If you were to select a higher wattage that you needed, it wouldn't be used, the laptop would only draw what it required and it wouldn't give any performance increase.

Does requiring a higher wattage power lead have any effect on what happens when I unplug the laptop and run it on battery?

The higher the specs of the laptop, the shorter the battery life will be on any model, so yes. You can adjust power saving settings in windows and nvidia control panel to clock the graphics card lower when playing on battery to conserve energy in which case battery life would be whatever you want it to be up to it's natural max at the cost of performance.

8) Keyboard: Small question. Are the light up colours of PCS’ laptop keyboards adjustable? I’ve been happy with my current laptop having a blue backlight to the keys, but I think the multi-coloured keyboard lighting of the 17.3” Octane II (for example) is quite garish. Can I adjust it to just one colour?

Fully adjustable, I have mine set on just blue, but you can set any colour or have it flicking across various colours. It's quite fun. The lower end chassis only have white as the colour, not RGB

Hope that helps.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Furthermore in answer to your first question, refreshes tend to happen when there's a new architecture out. For instance, nVidia are doing away with mobile graphics and instead putting fully fledged desktop graphics slightly underclocked into laptops from now on which is now possible as they use so much less power generally with the new 16nm architecture. They're due to be released by the end of August and are going to absolutely smash anything currently on the market. There will be a whole new range of laptops around then I'd imagine to fit the new cards.

Usually when a new chassis is released, the older ones go end of life and aren't sold anymore after a short period.
 

Oussebon

Multiverse Poster
The desktop i7 6700 is about 17-18% higher in performance than the laptop i7 6700HQ.
A GTX 980 is a good 50% more powerful than the GTX 980M

Given that most desktop games are largely GPU bound, that performance ratio only increases the difference meaning that a laptop i7 will not usually be what limits your gaming use. And in terms of productivity, unless you sit there encoding video all day long you probably won't feel much difference.
 

Fuzzball

Bronze Level Poster
Thank you all for the responses! They have been very informative and helpful.

I'm thinking I'll go for an 17.3" Octane II model in the end, which can be pricey, but will most likely reassure me that I have good hardware. I'll edit this post to link to a "Check this spec!" thread when I start one.

So am I right in thinking that in the Octane II the i7 CPU options are actually equivalent to desktop i7s? According to Ousseborn's benchmark link, the i7-6700 (3.4Ghz) and i7-6700K (4.0Ghz) are near the very top. Does that mean either would be plenty for modern gaming?

Also, a question from curiosity, why is the 17.3" Octane generally more expensive than the 17.3" Octane II, yet, as I understand it, has inferior hardware options?
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Thank you all for the responses! They have been very informative and helpful.

I'm thinking I'll go for an 17.3" Octane II model in the end, which can be pricey, but will most likely reassure me that I have good hardware. I'll edit this post to link to a "Check this spec!" thread when I start one.

So am I right in thinking that in the Octane II the i7 CPU options are actually equivalent to desktop i7s? According to Ousseborn's benchmark link, the i7-6700 (3.4Ghz) and i7-6700K (4.0Ghz) are near the very top. Does that mean either would be plenty for modern gaming?

Also, a question from curiosity, why is the 17.3" Octane generally more expensive than the 17.3" Octane II, yet, as I understand it, has inferior hardware options?

Yes, they're both full desktop cpu's no difference at all. Over powered really for gaming but worth it if you can afford the jump from an i5. The 17.3 octane is the octane pro which has sli gpu's, hence a lot more expensive and powerful for gaming.
 

Fuzzball

Bronze Level Poster
The 17.3 octane is the octane pro which has sli gpu's, hence a lot more expensive and powerful for gaming.

Well looking on the Gaming Laptops PCS page, it lists a '17.3" Octane II', '17.3" Octane' and '17.3" Octane Pro'. The Octane has a higher starting price than the Octane II, yet doesn't offer G-SYNC cards and seems to have 4th generation CPUs while the Octane II has 6th generation. Just strikes me as odd.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
Well looking on the Gaming Laptops PCS page, it lists a '17.3" Octane II', '17.3" Octane' and '17.3" Octane Pro'. The Octane has a higher starting price than the Octane II, yet doesn't offer G-SYNC cards and seems to have 4th generation CPUs while the Octane II has 6th generation. Just strikes me as odd.

Oh, sorry, wasn't aware there was the older version there as well. Dunno what that's about.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Octane II Pro is a desktop 980 rather than SLI. It's the Vortex V elite that's SLI.

I'm going with a desktop CPU over mobile for one obvious reason and one not so obvious. The obvious reason is that it's the only option with the desktop 980, the not so obvious reason is that I hate BGA. Any issue with the CPU calls for a full motherboard replacement, unless you fancy re-balling which is a nightmare. I cannot live with that fear on something so expensive, regardless of how good the warranty is. I like to know that if I have any faults in the future, past the warranty, I can buy a single component that's readily available and swap it out. Similarly with the motherboard, it may not be easy to get a hold of but it will be a lot cheaper than replacing the board & chip together.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
All telemetry settings on Windows 10 can be disabled and you're asked to do so when you first run it and set up user accounts etc. Don't believe all the nonsense you hear about Windows 10, it's generally from people who don't know how to configure it to their liking. I haven't had any problems with windows 10 with any programs, but I do only use modern programs, so haven't had to look at much compatibility stuff. Worth researching if you use any old programs to verify they'll work as with any OS upgrade. Worth mentioning that Windows 7 is a pain to install on skylake (new cpu) chipsets (not fully supported) and needs a lot of tweaking, it's not just a simple install.

From reading the above I'm guessing you may not be aware, a bit ironic really :p

The telemetry settings cannot be disabled at the install stage. In fact, there's no menu option to disable telemetry in Windows 10 other than the Enterprise edition, it has to be done using a registry hack.

There are a couple of additional services that need to be disabled too. There's a guide here...

http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/

No doubt there will be slicker solutions now but this is the steps I followed when I first installed it. I have no idea if there are any more hidden options.
 

SpyderTracks

We love you Ukraine
From reading the above I'm guessing you may not be aware, a bit ironic really :p

The telemetry settings cannot be disabled at the install stage. In fact, there's no menu option to disable telemetry in Windows 10 other than the Enterprise edition, it has to be done using a registry hack.

There are a couple of additional services that need to be disabled too. There's a guide here...

http://winaero.com/blog/how-to-disable-telemetry-and-data-collection-in-windows-10/

No doubt there will be slicker solutions now but this is the steps I followed when I first installed it. I have no idea if there are any more hidden options.

Ah, I have enterprise, wasn't aware that toggle wasn't available on other versions, thanks for the clarification.
 
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