Thermals: 17.3" Vyper vs 17.3" Optimus (Normal or Pro) XI

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jaigal said:
Except the AmD Renoir
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Probably right :) But it will not come with high end graphic cards any time soon apparently. That's why I've ordered a new Nova laptop because it's the only way to have a RTX 2070 with AMD CPU at the moment. Maybe it will change by the end of the year when the new rtx 3000 series comes out but it's impossible to know.
 
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cg.stefan.this said:
Thermal tests are available online for the Eluktronics Max-17 and it's quite hot under load. As expected it reaches 90+
I think it's simply impossible to have a 20mm laptop with a cooling system capable of cooling 8 cores properly.
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thats my point, even if chassis are great, its the chips that run hot and like it has been mentioned here couple of times intel chips are designed to thermal throttle, in full load temps will be in high 90s degree on 20mm chassis escpecially with 8 core cpus, unless you using liquid metal. Its not the hate or anything and Im sure vyper will perform great, but dont expect them running AAA games without throttling, thats one of the reasons I went for 15 inch vortex with 30mm, even if I would love 17 inch rather than 15, but have been very lucky with silicon lottery and good repasting jobe, just done quick test now look at the temps on max fans.

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No chip should ever thermal throttle, if it is at any load then it’s not thermally controlled. Even with 10th gen, so long as the paste is applied correctly, then if it’s still thermal throttling, an undervolt will bring it under control.

This “designed to thermal throttle” is intels marketing speak. It’s complete nonsense. Basically AT SPEC, an intel chip will invariably thermal throttle, it will just need some further tweaking to get it to behave.
 
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jaigal said:
Run the time spy test and fire strike test, I think they load everything pretty decently. @ubuysa mifht have a more comprehensive list on what to use to benchmark and stress a computer
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Is there a free way to run these tests? I see them on Steam, but they require 3D Mark, and I don't really feel like paying £23 just to test my system... For what it is worth the laptop has been running perfectly since I opened it a few hours ago. I haven't done anything intense yet though, mostly just transferred files and downloading software. While doing basic tasks (I have a bunch of tabs open in Chrome, watching youtube, doing stuff in Excel, etc.) the temps seem to hover around 55-60. One core is at 75, which does seem a bit odd, but I have no idea what is normal. I will say the fans are noticeable, even in Office Mode while idle. Not annoyingly loud, but not quiet by any means.
 
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Ambassador Spock said:
Is there a free way to run these tests? I see them on Steam, but they require 3D Mark, and I don't really feel like paying £23 just to test my system... For what it is worth the laptop has been running perfectly since I opened it a few hours ago. I haven't done anything intense yet though, mostly just transferred files and downloading software. While doing basic tasks (I have a bunch of tabs open in Chrome, watching youtube, doing stuff in Excel, etc.) the temps seem to hover around 55-60. One core is at 75, which does seem a bit odd, but I have no idea what is normal. I will say the fans are noticeable, even in Office Mode while idle. Not annoyingly loud, but not quiet by any means.
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try download prime95 and and monitor temps, or even cinebench R15, prime95 is very heavy stressing program so be aware of that.
you could also download demo for 3dmark there is option there in steam, dont need to buy it however im not sure if it is only for fire strike as well or just for time spy
 
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SpyderTracks said:
No chip should ever thermal throttle, if it is at any load then it’s not thermally controlled. Even with 10th gen, so long as the paste is applied correctly, then if it’s still thermal throttling, an undervolt will bring it under control.

This “designed to thermal throttle” is intels marketing speak. It’s complete nonsense. Basically AT SPEC, an intel chip will invariably thermal throttle, it will just need some further tweaking to get it to behave.
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of course its a non sense, but it should never happen especially for price they selling their old technology on ++++++++++nn :D its just a shame for intel, even undervolt should not be excuse, especially for people who are not aware or doesnt know how to use it. its just a big shame amd will push them to grave soon i believe in mobile chipsets
 
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Okay so I have no idea what any of this means, but I ran those two tests.
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Fire Strike:
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This has been done on stock settings for cpu? I assume you did not undervolt anything? As you can see, it just prooved what I have said. Try to apply undervolt if you know how to, and run some less stess test, for cpu such as cinebench r15, after undervolt it should perform much cooler and also better.

Just to compare yours and mine, with -100 undervolt. It helps a lot and this is 15inch laptop, but with -2 less cores, but also as you can see your cpu score is much higher than mine 6 core 9750h

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Lemon_Haze said:
This has been done on stock settings for cpu? I assume you did not undervolt anything? As you can see, it just prooved what I have said. Try to apply undervolt if you know how to, and run some less stess test, for cpu such as cinebench r15, after undervolt it should perform much cooler and also better.

Just to compare yours and mine, with -100 undervolt. It helps a lot and this is 15inch laptop, but with -2 less cores, but also as you can see your cpu score is much higher than mine 6 core 9750h

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Before you apply an undervolt you need to be sure the paste job is sufficient, otherwise you’re not addressing the core issue, just masking it.

What are your temps when idle without anything open?
 
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Lemon_Haze said:
This has been done on stock settings for cpu? I assume you did not undervolt anything? As you can see, it just prooved what I have said. Try to apply undervolt if you know how to, and run some less stess test, for cpu such as cinebench r15, after undervolt it should perform much cooler and also better.

Just to compare yours and mine, with -100 undervolt. It helps a lot and this is 15inch laptop, but with -2 less cores, but also as you can see your cpu score is much higher than mine 6 core 9750h
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Yeah, I have no idea when it comes to undervolting/overclocking, never done anything like that (never felt the need/desire). I'll see how hot it gets on the games I normally play.
 
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SpyderTracks said:
Before you apply an undervolt you need to be sure the paste job is sufficient, otherwise you’re not addressing the core issue, just masking it.

What are your temps when idle without anything open?
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I certainly hope the paste job is sufficient, this laptop was only assembled 2 days ago... I did find it a little odd that I got the notification the systems was entering the testing phase at 4:18 PM (around an hour before they close), and then got notified it was awaiting dispatch at 4:26 AM the next morning - doesn't seem like a whole lot of time to be tested, unless they took it home to test maybe?
 
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Ambassador Spock said:
I certainly hope the paste job is sufficient, this laptop was only assembled 2 days ago... I did find it a little odd that I got the notification the systems was entering the testing phase at 4:18 PM (around an hour before they close), and then got notified it was awaiting dispatch at 4:26 AM the next morning - doesn't seem like a whole lot of time to be tested, unless they took it home to test maybe?
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It’s just the first thing you should check on any new laptop or computer.

Tests will usually be left to run overnight.
 
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SpyderTracks said:
Before you apply an undervolt you need to be sure the paste job is sufficient, otherwise you’re not addressing the core issue, just masking it.

What are your temps when idle without anything open?
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his cores seems even, i think if it would be repasted wrongly cores would be much more uneven,
did you choose stock paste when configuring or MX-4? (the one that pcspecialist offers)
 
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Lemon_Haze said:
his cores seems even, i think if it would be repasted wrongly cores would be much more uneven,
did you choose stock paste when configuring or MX-4? (the one that pcspecialist offers)
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I chose the MX-4, didn't want to take any chances with such powerful hardware in such a thin frame.
 
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Lemon_Haze said:
his cores seems even, i think if it would be repasted wrongly cores would be much more uneven,
did you choose stock paste when configuring or MX-4? (the one that pcspecialist offers)
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I didn’t mean core as in cpu core, I meant before applying an undervolt you need to be certain that the paste job is satisfactory by testing testing temps.
 
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