Upgrading 5600xt to 5800x3d

[Chubster]

Evening all

Currently running the 5600xt and looking to upgrade to the 5800x3d.

Use the PC solely for MSFS 2020, can't afford a new build, so looking for "best bang for the buck" upgrade. 5800x3d gets good reviews for msfs.

Current build actually works very well for 2d but looking for a bit more headroom for VR.

So, main question, will the 5800x3d fit into my current system and if so, is it "just" a straight swap. Would I need to replace anything else?

Cheers in advance


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[SpyderTracks]

What make and model monitor are you using?

What’s your max budget for the upgrades?

Can you post the full build please but leave out your windows key

 

[Chubster]

Monitor is MSI Optix MPG341CQR 21:9 UWQHD 3440×1440

With regards budget, thats not really the question. As i say, cant afford a new build and I believe my current system will not allow new gpu etc because the case is too small.

Is the 5800x3d a straight swap in my current system?

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32GB Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3200MHz (2 x 16GB)
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12GB AMD RADEON™ RX 6700 XT - HDMI, DP - DX® 12
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250GB SAMSUNG 970 EVO PLUS M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 2300MB/W)
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[SpyderTracks]

With regards budget, thats not really the question. As i say, cant afford a new build and I believe my current system will not allow new gpu etc because the case is too small.

It may not be the question for you, but how can we suggest upgrades if we don't know what your ceiling is?

Or are you saying you're only considering upgrading the processor at the moment?

It's not very clear, a budget will tell us the best way to apply those upgrades.

If the budget is high enough then we could factor in an appropriate case.

All this comes down to not designing a suitable platform at the outset, it's such a shame people don't get advice. Always get advice, PC design is not something you can just throw any components together, you have to know how to properly balance a build.

 

[Chubster]

It may not be the question for you, but how can we suggest upgrades if we don't know what your ceiling is?

Or are you saying you're only considering upgrading the processor at the moment?

It's not very clear, a budget will tell us the best way to apply those upgrades.

If the budget is high enough then we could factor in an appropriate case.

All this comes down to not designing a suitable platform at the outset, it's such a shame people don't get advice. Always get advice, PC design is not something you can just throw any components together, you have to know how to properly balance a build.

Hiya, yes, I'm just considering upgrading the processor, sorry for not making that clearer.

So, will the 5800x3d "fit" into my current build

As for not getting advice, I did, two years ago when I ordered this system.....but that was 2 years ago

 

[SpyderTracks]

Hiya, yes, I'm just considering upgrading the processor, sorry for not making that clearer.

So, will the 5800x3d "fit" into my current build

As for not getting advice, I did, two years ago when I ordered this system.....but that was 2 years ago

We would never have recommended a build like this, none of us would have and there's nothing in your history that shows that. If PCS recommended this, I'm afraid they've not done a good job.

It will "fit", but the PSU and cooler are literally on the nose, you may see instability.

 

[SpyderTracks]

To get it where it needs to be you’d need to upgrade;

Case
GPU
CPU
Cooler
Primary SSD

 

[sck451]

With that said (and I don't disagree that a better system all round would be a massive improvement) you probably will find a 5800X3D or a 5700X3D will be a significant improvement. I'm not mad on that cooler because it's fairly noisy and not the most reliable but honestly those are reasons to buy something different in the first place not to upgrade it now.

So I'd cautiously say "yes" to your upgrade. But don't forget to get some thermal paste because you'll need to re-do that as part of the upgrade.

 

[TonyCarter]

BTW, I don't know how much space you have left on your boot drive as it's quite small, and MSFS tends to store downloaded aircraft/community files on the boot drive...and as that fills up it will run slower & slower.

Your secondary drive is also quite slow - and would have been slow 2 years ago, and anyone of the volunteers on here would have recommended m.2 SSDs for the whole build.

But I think the choices were probably down to having a relatively small budget and the biggest portions going towards the CPU/GPU, and then the PCS sales person trying to fit everything else in within the budget.

 

[Scott]

6700XT won't be all that great for VR, just a heads up. The 6000 GPUs give a bit more than the 7000 counterparts but Nvidia are still significantly ahead in VR.

I agree with everything above. If you really must spend the money now then the 5800X3D should get you some decent frames, otherwise I would pocket the money now and get a real upgrade when you can. Be sure to visit and get advice though, the build is not well configured at all.

 

[Chubster]

We would never have recommended a build like this, none of us would have and there's nothing in your history that shows that. If PCS recommended this, I'm afraid they've not done a good job.

It will "fit", but the PSU and cooler are literally on the nose, you may see instability.

I never said I got advice from here, Im not even sure I knew this forum existed at the time

 

[Chubster]

To get it where it needs to be you’d need to upgrade;

Case
GPU
CPU
Cooler
Primary SSD

In an ideal world that would be great, but at the moment Im just looking for a "minor" upgrade, for not too much money

 

[Chubster]

With that said (and I don't disagree that a better system all round would be a massive improvement) you probably will find a 5800X3D or a 5700X3D will be a significant improvement. I'm not mad on that cooler because it's fairly noisy and not the most reliable but honestly those are reasons to buy something different in the first place not to upgrade it now.

So I'd cautiously say "yes" to your upgrade. But don't forget to get some thermal paste because you'll need to re-do that as part of the upgrade.

Thank you for your response. Yep, a "better system all round" is always the "best" solution but currently Im just looking to gain a bit more headroom in MSFS, and my research seems to suggest this would be a good move, for not that much money, around £250.

My system actually works very well, as is, for MSFS. I can run with most settings on Ultra in 2d and get an average of around 50fps with AMD frame generation turned on, just looking for a boost for VR

 

[Chubster]

BTW, I don't know how much space you have left on your boot drive as it's quite small, and MSFS tends to store downloaded aircraft/community files on the boot drive...and as that fills up it will run slower & slower.

Your secondary drive is also quite slow - and would have been slow 2 years ago, and anyone of the volunteers on here would have recommended m.2 SSDs for the whole build.

But I think the choices were probably down to having a relatively small budget and the biggest portions going towards the CPU/GPU, and then the PCS sales person trying to fit everything else in within the budget.

Thanks Tony, yep I've upgraded my drives, the evo plus is still my boot drive, and is currently 50% free. The 1TB QVO drive is now my "documents, pics, vids" drive and I purchased a Solidigm P44 Pro 2TB M.2 drive. This handles MSFS and all its files, currently 72% free

 

[sck451]

Thank you for your response. Yep, a "better system all round" is always the "best" solution but currently Im just looking to gain a bit more headroom in MSFS, and my research seems to suggest this would be a good move, for not that much money, around £250.

My system actually works very well, as is, for MSFS. I can run with most settings on Ultra in 2d and get an average of around 50fps with AMD frame generation turned on, just looking for a boost for VR

Absolutely, and you'll probably get a reasonable increase with the 5800X3D (or the 5700X3D). I'm not sure it'll ever be amazing with the 6700 XT in an application as demanding as MSFS in VR, but I would expect at least some improvement.

I guess one lesson is that when you do buy a new PC it would be worth asking for advice: your upgrade path on that PC (which is the way to get good value) is limited by the 650W power supply, and I would expect also by the thermals in that case. It's not catastrophic, but it's worth bearing in mind for the future.

 

[Chubster]

6700XT won't be all that great for VR, just a heads up. The 6000 GPUs give a bit more than the 7000 counterparts but Nvidia are still significantly ahead in VR.

I agree with everything above. If you really must spend the money now then the 5800X3D should get you some decent frames, otherwise I would pocket the money now and get a real upgrade when you can. Be sure to visit and get advice though, the build is not well configured at all.

Too be fair to the 6700xt hasn't actually been that bad. I can fly in VR, with a quest2 headset on mostly medium settings and I can get about 25fps. This does take a fair bit of witchcraft with openxr toolkit and oculus debug tool though.

 

[Chubster]

Absolutely, and you'll probably get a reasonable increase with the 5800X3D (or the 5700X3D). I'm not sure it'll ever be amazing with the 6700 XT in an application as demanding as MSFS in VR, but I would expect at least some improvement.

I guess one lesson is that when you do buy a new PC it would be worth asking for advice: your upgrade path on that PC (which is the way to get good value) is limited by the 650W power supply, and I would expect also by the thermals in that case. It's not catastrophic, but it's worth bearing in mind for the future.

MSFS seems to get CPU bound before it gets GPU bound and Ive seen quite a few people get the greatest £2000 cards and not see "that" much improvement, considering their outlay.

Yep 100% agree on the "advice" bit, lesson learnt there as it seems I really have no real viable upgrade solutions, it seems none of the newer cards will even fit in my case, let alone the power supply.

 

[sck451]

MSFS seems to get CPU bound before it gets GPU bound and Ive seen quite a few people get the greatest £2000 cards and not see "that" much improvement, considering their outlay.

Yep 100% agree on the "advice" bit, lesson learnt there as it seems I really have no real viable upgrade solutions, it seems none of the newer cards will even fit in my case, let alone the power supply.

That's true, but I wouldn't expect it to be true in all scenarios. If you're playing with high details in 4K on a 1060, you're going to be GPU-limited no matter what the CPU is. Hopefully it'll be a nice improvement for you: all the best with it.