Liquid Series: What would you like to see?

[James_C]

Hey guys,

I'm forever looking for ways to improve the liquid series systems at PC Specialist and I have some cool ideas and stuff I've been working that I can hopefully share with you all at some point.

I'm wondering if there's anything that you guys would like to see? Anything that we might not offer that you've always thought we should or ideas that we might have overlooked.

Anything at all please just say, I can't promise that everything can be done but any suggestions I will look into and if it's feasible then we may implement it.

Thanks guys.

 

[steaky360]

Hi James,

I think it would be good to be able to choose between hard piping and standard tubing as an optional extra - appreciate that might be difficult to implement but its certainly something I'd like to see

Also, I dont know if this is something you're looking to implement or not but it would be good to see some kind of controller implemented into the liquid series - something like the the Aquaero 6 Pro controller.

Can't wait to see what is in store for the Liquid Series PC's - almost certainly going to be my next purchase

 

[James_C]

Hard tubing is something I really want to do and honestly can't wait til I get to try it out but with it coming up to Christmas it's probably not something I'll get to try anytime soon. There's a lot more things to think about when it comes to hard tubing, time being the major factor, soft tubing takes very little time to do, I can probably tube up an extreme kit in a 900D in say 20 minutes but with hard tubing. If you go down the bending route because there is no room for error each tube will take about 20-30 minutes whereas if you go down the straight tube and fittings route it will cost a lot more which we don't want to do as this will hike the price up for customer which is the last thing we want.

Bending:
http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2716770/

Straights and Fittings:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kC8bMG64nwM/maxresdefault.jpg

Also we have to worry about things like dispatching, will there be greater risks, if so do we need to send everything out on a pallet instead of DPD. My least favourite thing is how it will fair when people receive a system with acrylic tubing. I was terrified that someone might accidentally pull on a tube when removing the blue bag with flexi tubing but this is tenfold for acrylic so we have to look into how we can try and make it safe when a customer first opens it up to look inside.

The fan controller is something I've been wanting to do for a long time but I've yet to find a true PWM fan controller. All of the fans we use are PWM controlled and can be set to absolutely anything off of the motherboard however every fan controller I've tested or looked into doesn't fully support it. If I can find one that is true PWM I will do what I can to introduce it but it's something that I cannot find the right solution to. That being said what I've just read about this fan controller it might actually be true PWM, I'll look into this further on Monday.

If you are looking to get a Liquid System from us and want any information feel free to message me and I'll answer to the best of my knowledge.

 

[lifeguardsm]

I would like to see more SSD/HDD in the system not just 2. I do understand that there has to be some room but to be honest a SSD isn't big.

Also I have to admit I wouldn't mind an OC GPU which is done by either PCS or EVGA - which I guess you get the water cooled GPU from.

I know I have mentioned this in another tread but please get a bigger M.2 - 128GB is very small - especially now you can get a 1TB M.2

 

[James_C]

The 2 SSD/HDD thing is more for the HDDs, because we mod a lot of the cases we can only really fit 1-2 HDDs in any system. I agree with you that we should be offering more as you're right, SSDs take up no space at all and we can fit them anywhere. I'll bring this up tomorrow at work.

Believe me I want to overclock the GPUs, I've got a bit of experience doing it on my own EVGA cards however the OCs I've done are quite tame in comparison so I'm not sure how far I can push a card with liquid. Doing it on an air cooled card has very little room to play so it's easy enough to do. It very well might be something we offer down the line and i hope that it is.

The only reason for the small M.2s is that we're out of stock on the larger ones with no ETA at the minute therefore we removed them so customers aren't left waiting for months. There will be more coming out soon anyway as it's getting to that time of year again for more product releases.

 

[lifeguardsm]

it's a shame you can ask EVGA what the minimum OC is for Watercooled - then at least you have a bench mark on how to push the GPU - me personally I wouldn't push it in Air cool as there is lots of things that can go wrong where as Watercooled, you know you can keep it cool.

I also agree on having a fan controller it would help on monitoring the base unit and the fans when the PC is idling or while your playing a game.

As for the SSD - couldn't you put them behind the motherboard (I hope you know what I mean) as you can actually stick them on case and have at least 3 or 4 SSD running

 

[James_C]

I've asked EVGA about it a couple of times but haven't heard anything back so it will be research and trial and error that we have to do.

I'll definitely be looking into fan tomorrow when I get into work, need to discuss it with a few people when I'm there.

Don't worry I know what you mean, we actually do it for HDDs on the 750D and 780T for high kits. It's something I will be discussing tomorrow when I'm in, hopefully have an answer for this soon.

 

[lifeguardsm]

I know this is off the topic but it would be brilliant to have all the liquid cool PC shown in a PC shop - then people who are just walking around town can come in and go wow I want one of them and then order 1 there and then, I have done it before and to be honest it is something I hope PCS will do as you can talk to people about the spec and budget etc

As for what else I would like on a LC machine - well I nothing else on the system but maybe have a recovery USB stick or have the overclock profile on there so if someone does make a mistake they can go back to it

 

[James_C]

We spoke about this a while ago and honestly without having someone dedicated there it would be hard to pull off. How many times have you went into an electronics or computer store and found that the staff don't actually know what they're talking about? I honestly think it would do more harm than good, it might help sales and let people see first hand how they work but I think they would actually walk away misinformed or having been made a promise that just cannot happen.
If PCS ever have their own store then I can guarantee that this will happen but until that day (which I don't know if it's even a possibility) it will just be communicating with us on the forums, through the call center or heading down to an event we're going to be at.

We actually have the BIOS profiles uploaded to all customer orders so that if this happens then the OC is easily recoverable.
When you say recovery USB pen, do you mean for the OS? This is something that we might be able to do with the choice for an internal optical being removed.

 

[lifeguardsm]

I understand where your coming from with the people who don't know what they are saying in the shops - as I have seen it - but that is were PCS can be different and get people who know what a PC is and work there, me for one would be a brill job as i'm an IT support analyst and have to know what is what as well as applications on the machines.

As for the USB yeah for the OS as it is easier that putting a DVD or CD to get it back. Also for the LC series as you have no option to have a CD/DVD drive.

 

[James_C]

Angling for a job? :tt2: If it was our own outlet then yeah I agree but since we don't have one it's impossible to do as we'd need to get our own staff into wherever we were showcasing the systems. Right now it's just not something that's feasible unfortunately but I'd like to think in the future this will change.

I'll inquire about this, it shouldn't be a problem to do.

 

[lifeguardsm]

wouldn't mind working for PCS to be honest lol unk:

 

[lifeguardsm]

what about fans that have LEDs in them - that would be good getting a nice colour for your machine

 

[James_C]

Honestly changing the fans isn't something we're in any rush to do, it took us a while to find a balance of noise level vs cooling performance without going to Noctua that are A) a horrible colour and B) too expensive for customers.

I don't think we'll change the fans anytime soon unless we happen to come across something by accident.

Out of curiosity, how do you feel about all of the recent RGB fan announcements from Corsair, NZXT etc?

 

[lifeguardsm]

yeah I think it would be cool - also I wonder if you could have the LED lights change colour. Might be more expensive but would be good

 

[James_C]

Well I doubt we'll be changing the fans anytime soon as I have said but you never know.

RBG LEDs exist and it's something we're looking at however they will only work with motherboards that have an RGB header with them otherwise you'll need something like an NZXT Hue to control colour change of the LEDs.

 

[lifeguardsm]

I know this is probably stupid but when u get a liquid cooled machine - don't you have to replace the liquid after a year or so and if so how?? and maybe have something that can make it easier to do if it is hard that is

 

[keynes]

I know this is probably stupid but when u get a liquid cooled machine - don't you have to replace the liquid after a year or so and if so how?? and maybe have something that can make it easier to do if it is hard that is

You need to send it back for maintenance I think every 2 years. I believe that I formation is available on their website in the liquid cooling section.

 

[lifeguardsm]

I have had a look and I can't see it there - also if you do have to send it back - how much is it going to cost, how long they going to have it??

 

[mantadog]

Probably going to be north of £30 to send it back, possibly more like £50 depending on weight and dimensions (I doubt these machines are small) and you will need to pack it well I guess. In terms of how long, it shouldn't be away from you for more than a week total id guess, though things do happen...