We need more Processor Cooler AIR choice.

VinJol

Bronze Level Poster
What?! If you think my post is trolling and yours aren't then you're in serious need of help.
@ubuysa: your message preceded mine.
I just react badly (it's not very smart, I agree).

(You trolling, I trolling, he/she/it trolling, we trolling... but we may stop trolling here)
 
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Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
@Scott : Linus is a fanboy of watercooler (aesthetic choice), and even him recognizes that there are points in favor of air cooling.
Competition build are expansive, and based on a full liquid systeme (not just a simple watercooling alone). Not suitable for all audiences (because you need advanced overcloking skills to take full advantage of all the benefits).

The both video take a neutral point of view.
Contrary to some fanboys here, they do not say that one is better than the other in every way.

I wonder if you did watch the second video? Or you just reacted without take this time, because your personal opinion is made and will never change whatever the facts. You could show a little of bayesianism or zetetic.

The two options are aviable and have advantages and disadvantages.
Let us choose which advantages we prefer to have and which disadvantages we are prepared to have in return.

Firstly, I've seen it before so I don't need to re-visit it. The data given is very accurate for direct comparison in NON user specific cases. I would have fully expected the air coolers to perform significantly better than they did (because science) so I was surprised to see that wasn't the case.

Second.... Did you notice and understand the parameters of the test? Did you see which case the test system was in.... for example? ;)

Third..... I hope you are not inferring I'm a fanboy? I buy whatever is the best that I can afford. I currently have an Intel system, for an example, yet I continually recommend AMD now. This isn't because I'm a fanboy, it's because I am an enthusiast.

I am absolutely fine with you thinking you are arguing concise points without fully understanding them. I actually understand the physics behind the advantages and disadvantages. I'm an engineer by trade and thermodynamics was part of my learning during training. I understand airflow (aero engine testing) and various other aspects. Couple into all that that I've been taking stuff apart and putting it together successfully since I could hold a screwdriver, it makes me (not being big headed) more informed than your average punter. I am an extreme hobbyist and I take a keen interest in all levels of learning. I don't like discussing detailed attributes with people who do-not understand them and only base their opinion on what they have seen from someone who DOES know what they are talking about, but use a specific angle (case and point, both videos you have posted and your misunderstanding of the data collected).

When I'm wrong? I stick my hand right up and thank the person correcting me for the new information, as I love learning. Case and point, 4x sticks of RAM vs 2 has recently been re-visited and found that in a lot of workloads, with specific memory construction, there are benefits going for 4 sticks. I have continually posted the opposite based on my experience and learning, finding out this information was incorrect (As a collective with most of the enthusiasts who verified this) led me to completely turning a 180 on my recommendations.

I'm human :)
 

VinJol

Bronze Level Poster
@Scott I was "no fair". I confess. Like I say, I badly react.
Maybe it's me the fanboy 🤣

My brother is an watercooler sceptic. He probably slightly contaminated me. LOL
I try to evaluate "for and against".

I am not an engineer and video are not in my mother language. So you right, I don't understand all the ins and outs. And misses out on countless subtleties. The first video was much easier to capture than the second video (I basically look at the graphics and their associated legends).
 
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VinJol

Bronze Level Poster
@Nursemorph:
So if I would capture (rarely but sometime) my game session and editing the video with somthing like Davinci Resolve...
This way to use taxing more the CPU? -> then the watercooling become mandatory?

Other question: the watercooling is more responsive (concerning fluctuations), right?
Which affects on the good way the lifetime of the CPU if I understand correctly.
 
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Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
Air cooling is more responsive. It will be quicker to react but also quicker to heat soak. This is why watercoolers come into their own during lengthy processes.

It has to be said that there is no risk of damage to the hardware and I doubt it would affect the longevity of the system at all. It's purely about maximising performance.

A watercooled chip will stay at a lower temperature delta than an air cooled system will. The lower the temperature, the higher the boost clocks. Air coolers do great initially, reacting almost instantly to load..... but over a period of time the temperature will soak and creep up past the threshold of the boost clock availability. A watercooler (a decent one) will take significantly longer to heatsoak in any given scenario, if you match the cooler appropriately you can keep yourself in the sweet spot indefinitely.
 

VinJol

Bronze Level Poster
@Scott : So if like me, we are the type of gamer who play on very long sessions, the watercooling is more appropriate, because the air cooling will be affected by the gradual rise in the internal temperature of the pc case.

Thanks guys to explain me all this little things. I gradually go beyond my preconceptions.
 
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VinJol

Bronze Level Poster
This is why when someone comes on asking for advice on a specific component, such as a cooler, we ask for the full spec and uses
It always had the effect of running gag on me, but said like that it's so logical and crystal clear. Effectively all the components interact together (not just only two, but all of them). Why we never think about that when a question comes to us!
 
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AccidentalDenz

Lord of Steam
Happens all the time...the number of times we see, say, a £2k system specced up..and then the cheapest possible case as that was the only budget left. It's easy to overlook just how vital the case can be to a system, especially mid to high end ones. It would be like going into a Mercedes dealership and saying "Hi, I want the best car you have...oh, and can you take all the parts of it and put it in a Ford Fiesta?"...sure, the parts could be made to fit (amazing what you can put into a Fiesta!) but they won't perform anywhere near their capacity
I still dream of putting a V8 engine in a go kart, or maybe a go kart engine in a sports car... 🤔 😁
 

Gavras

Master Poster
@Scott ditto ex aircraft engineer.
Happens all the time...the number of times we see, say, a £2k system specced up..and then the cheapest possible case as that was the only budget left. It's easy to overlook just how vital the case can be to a system, especially mid to high end ones. It would be like going into a Mercedes dealership and saying "Hi, I want the best car you have...oh, and can you take all the parts of it and put it in a Ford Fiesta?"...sure, the parts could be made to fit (amazing what you can put into a Fiesta!) but they won't perform anywhere near their capacity
yep my biggest groan is £3k system in a £37 case.

on the car engine thing.

have fitted some crazy engines in past, mainly to Escorts or similar.

At school we entered a car competition (design and build a car).

we had a Capri 2.9 engine donated lol.

Did take some fettling though lol.


not had chance to do anything crazy for a while, mainly just stage 1 or 2 stuff.
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
I dabble 😇 :unsure: :ROFLMAO:
 

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ubuysa

The BSOD Doctor
My dream has always been to either put a Cosworth engine in a Mark 1 Ford Fiesta....or something insanely powerful in a Nissan Pulsar (the Sunny over here....was a mid 90s car)
But this is back to what @Nursemorph was saying about looking at the whole build. If you put Cosworth in a Fiesta you need tyres that can put that power into the road. You need a gearbox with ratios that let you maximise that power. You need a drive train that can trnasmit that power. You need a braking system that let's you get rid of that power when you need to. You need a wheelbase and COG that can corner under all that power. And so on. Get any of those wrong and its all been a waste of time. It's the same with PCs. :)
 

Gavras

Master Poster
I dabble 😇 :unsure: :ROFLMAO:
Looks great.

roll on summer, no lockdown and back to Caffeine and Machine.



my big decision next year is Corvette or new M4.

the first one (other than a Viper) has been long term dream and eventually RHD, the latter M4 (AWD)
 

Scott

Behold The Ford Mondeo
Moderator
RHD corvette would be my choice out of the 2. BMW don't have an edge for me anymore.
 

Gavras

Master Poster
RHD corvette would be my choice out of the 2. BMW don't have an edge for me anymore.
Normally yes, but the new M4 (basing this on new 440i) with its new xdrive system ( stolen from M5 likely lol) gives the M4 a chance to get its power down.

having had AWD for a number of years now, could not go back to RWD (definitely not fwd) unless really special.

the other potential problem with C8, is dealer support, that could be deal breaker.
 
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