Will this be quiet and last for 10 years? :-)

[iantrader]

Hi All

This is simply for general stuff, some YouTube and the occasional video edit (render time not critical)

It will sit on the desktop so quiet(ish) is good.

It's to replace an old machine which is 10+ years old so hoping this will last as long
Thanks,
Ian

Case
PCS 6003B BLACK CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 10-Core Processor i5-12600K (3.7GHz) 20MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® PRIME B660-PLUS D4 (DDR4, USB 3.2, 6Gb/s) - ARGB Ready!
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
INTEGRATED GRAPHICS ACCELERATOR (GPU)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
1TB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3500MB/sR | 2500MB/sW)
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 550W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
PCS FrostFlow 200 Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
ARCTIC MX-4 EXTREME THERMAL CONDUCTIVITY COMPOUND
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
Wireless Network Card
WIRELESS INTEL® Wi-Fi 6 AX200 2,400Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD + BT 5.0
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Supplied on USB Drive
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days
Price: £1,095.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.

 

[Scott]

This takes you over what you had spent above, but it props up the areas required in order to sustainable going forward. It's a fairly high end system given your uses so you could actually save a little and go for a lesser spec CPU if you wanted. I would probably stick with the 12600k personally as it will do a very good job.

If you wanted to save some money you could transfer your Windows license if you aren't going to be using it on your current PC.

Case
LIAN LI LANCOOL 215 GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i5 10-Core Processor i5-12600K (3.7GHz) 20MB Cache
Motherboard
ASUS® TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI D4 (LGA1700, USB 3.2, PCIe 5.0) - ARGB Ready
Memory (RAM)
32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3600MHz (2 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
INTEGRATED GRAPHICS ACCELERATOR (GPU)
1st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB INTEL® 670p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (up to 3000MB/sR, 1600MB/sW)
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
1st Storage Drive
2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE
Power Supply
CORSAIR 750W RMx SERIES™ MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET
Power Cable
1 x 1.5 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling
Corsair iCUE H100i RGB PRO XT Hydro Series High Performance CPU Cooler
Thermal Paste
STANDARD THERMAL PASTE FOR SUFFICIENT COOLING
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Network Card
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT
USB/Thunderbolt Options
MIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 2 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS
Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00003]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 11 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Supplied on USB Drive
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft 365® (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Browser
Microsoft® Edge
Warranty
3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
STANDARD INSURED DELIVERY TO UK MAINLAND (MON-FRI)
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 4 to 7 working days
Price: £1,282.00 including VAT and Delivery

Unique URL to re-configure: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/intel-z690-pc/rnxNK2e0nJ/

 

[iantrader]

Hi - Thank you so much for taking the time to ,look at this.

I would be very grateful if you could explain why my selections were lacking.

I am happy with the CPU Here are my reasons for the choices:
Case: I don't need to see inside it
Motherboard: It seemed do the necessary and had a good selection of USB ports
Memory: According to specs the 12600K only supports DRR4 up to 3200MHz. According to one of the techy sites, the bump from 3000 to 32000 will show little real world difference
PSU: When leaving the configuration the site helpfully tells you that the system only needs 450W I upped this to the 550W because it was labelled Ultra Quiet
CPU Cooler: Same here. I went for what seemed to be the best (and cheapest ) option that could handle 2x the heat dissipation generated by the chip. Never had a liquid cooler 😮

Thank you again. Your input is very much appreciated.

 

[Aza]

The PCS case you had chosen would of had poor thermals and you would end up shortening the lifespan of the components inside.
Intel 12600 on a prime motherboard would of meant the CPU wasnt properly supported to run at its proper capacity, prime boards are basically bottom spec motherboards.
The Tuf board is far far better, and supports far more features
PSU, its a known issue that it recommends some shoddy numbers. It doesnt take into account a system under full load and allow headroom on it, or future upgrades. If you want longevity, overspec the PSU so it doesnt get worn out and it can take future GPU upgrades (which have greater power consumption)
Coolers, you pair to the CPU, intel tend to run hot, so you need a powerful cooler from the start, generally speaking CPU's these days all benefit from liquid coolers, heat production is steadily climbing as they become more and more powerful.

Not sure about the 3200MHz support on the intel chip... looking at the specs i'd say your right, but im a novice i'd imagine he's seen something I havent or i'm missing something, I know the motherboard supports 3600MHz no issue.
Configurator would also tend to not offer things as it checks compatibility

 

[Scott]

As above basically. With regards to the RAM, the chip will support 3600Mhz no problem. it's just classed as an overclock profile, typically XMP. This has been the same since Jesus was a lad so there's nothing really new here.

 

[iantrader]

Thank you both very much 👍

Regarding the RAM, this is where it says it supports 3200. Regardless, would using 3600 make much real world difference? https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu/intel-core-i5-12600k

I have never had a PC with a PSU >550W 😮 I picked it over the 450W for quietness. Would it be a really bad choice?

My Cooler choice was also rated at 250W. The chip's TDP is 125W so I thought I was doiing well 😁 Is my choice bad and why is your choice much better?

Really appreciate your input and will definitely modify my config so thank you.

 

[Martinr36]

I have never had a PC with a PSU >550W 😮 I picked it over the 450W for quietness. Would it be a really bad choice?

If you went with lets say a 750W Rmx it would be even quieter as the majority of the time its cooling fan wont be running

 

[Scott]

Thank you both very much 👍

Regarding the RAM, this is where it says it supports 3200. Regardless, would using 3600 make much real world difference? https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu/intel-core-i5-12600k

I have never had a PC with a PSU >550W 😮 I picked it over the 450W for quietness. Would it be a really bad choice?

My Cooler choice was also rated at 250W. The chip's TDP is 125W so I thought I was doiing well 😁 Is my choice bad and why is your choice much better?

Really appreciate your input and will definitely modify my config so thank you.

This is where it becomes difficult. On one hand you're saying that you don't really understand, but on the other hand you are defending the choices.

Just to clear some potential misunderstanding up. We don't work for PCS and have no affiliation with PCS. We are all volunteers on here and most likely ex customers or current customers (I purchased a laptop back in 2016). We are enthusiasts who like to help people out and want to see people get the best value for money. We know all too well the amount of misinformation that gets spread and it's increased 10 fold with vloggers and the likes all cashing in on various sponsors and the likes. Most opinion on the internet is skewed in some way or another so we attempt to right that ship and even it up as best we can. We are only human though so we will always have our own favourites, but that's where the mean of the members opinions can calibrate each other.

So..... the advice being offered isn't to attempt to get you to spend more money. It's an attempt to get you to spend wisely. We have years worth of experience with this sort of tech behind us. We have made all the mistakes and spent all the money, often thrice over, in order that you don't have to. I've wasted more money on systems than I would dare to count, due to buying twice.

Back to your query....

Who on earth are Nano review? Do you know them? Are their opinions well regarded? Do you think they are looking out for your best interests?

The previous generation of intel supported up to 2400 as default. This didn't in any way stop the motherboards from supporting XMP RAM up to 4800Mhz. The same is true now. This is the default setting for the RAM. Will 3000 work... sure, but you'll be taking a performance hit. If you're happy with that performance hit then that's up to yourself but our advice is never going to suggest that you do. There's always a case to be made with 3200 vs 3600 (due to the CAS latency) but that's a bit of a moot point as the higher frequency is still better and there's little in the way of money between them.

As with everything in life. You can pay less for different levels of product. PSUs are absolutely no different. You've asked for help with a system to last 10 years and then wanted to save massively on the very item that powers it. Do you genuinely believe that a PSU with a 3 year warranty is going to last 10 years at full tilt without any issues? The longevity of these items is based on the quality of them to begin with. The RMx comes, as default, with a much longer warranty simply because of how a high end product it is. It runs with 0 fan RPM as well. With your uses I doubt it'll come on. The actual product itself is seriously good. All us enthusiasts have them and any outliers on the forum tend to wish they had listened and got them to begin with.

TDP is just plain lies nowadays. This is the value of the CPU when it isn't boosting. These chips will boost indefinitely when the temperatures and power limits are being adhered to. The 12600k can easily push 200w. The coolers ability is going to be massively hampered when you put it in a case. Putting that case into a cupboard.... isn't going to increase efficiency, it's going to turn the case into an oven. With any AIO you're able to expel that air as part of the function, which is an absolute no brainer.

I hope this clears things up and you can put a bit more trust in what we are writing given where it's coming from. Unfortunately we are merely volunteers with lives outside this forum so this sort of explanation isn't typically offered on background. If we're pushed for time we would typically just leave you to make the poor decisions as we wouldn't feel the necessity to explain ourselves.

 

[iantrader]

Thank you sooooo much. I appreciate your comments and will act on them 😁 I was asking questions because I thought I was making good choices and wanted to know why they were not good so I could learn for the future. I never thought you were trying to upsell and understood from your first reply that you are volunteers and it is wonderful that you help people with queries.

I am sorry if my questions seemed to question your knowledge as that was certainly not my intention. I was simply explaining why I made the choices and not trying to defend them.

It's good to know WHY you're buying something so thank you again very much indeed.

 

[Scott]

Thank you sooooo much. I appreciate your comments and will act on them 😁 I was asking questions because I thought I was making good choices and wanted to know why they were not good so I could learn for the future. I never thought you were trying to upsell and understood from your first reply that you are volunteers and it is wonderful that you help people with queries.

I am sorry if my questions seemed to question your knowledge as that was certainly not my intention. I was simply explaining why I made the choices and not trying to defend them.

It's good to know WHY you're buying something so thank you again very much indeed.

I do completely understand your reasoning and I'm not suggesting you shouldn't question the logic, the difficulty from my position is..... can you imagine how many times I would need to type all of that above if I explained every recommendation?

I would only ever ask that anyone questioning choices do so via known good channels with properly reasoned information. Finding a website that suits a particular train of thought is never going to be helpful.

I created this sticky a while back to help with this sort of understanding as well:

Please read before posting:- Collaboration of Helpful Hints

NB: These forums are not an official support channel. None of us work for PCS, we're all either customers or techies who just like to help out where possible. For any official support, you need to contact PCS directly either through your PCS account, or via the contact details on the main...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

Some good information in there overall

 

[iantrader]

I totally understand and apologise for not reading the sticky firsdt. TBH I thought my spec would have been looked at by a PCS tech. It is actually a spec suggested by a PCS sales person with a couple of my upgrades 😁

I came across the RAM spec when trying to compare processors. However, the max speed of 3200 is also on the Intel site: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www...-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html?wapkw=12600k

You're doing a great and valuable job so apologies again for taking up so much of your time.

 

[Scott]

I totally understand and apologise for not reading the sticky firsdt. TBH I thought my spec would have been looked at by a PCS tech. It is actually a spec suggested by a PCS sales person with a couple of my upgrades 😁

I came across the RAM spec when trying to compare processors. However, the max speed of 3200 is also on the Intel site: https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www...-to-4-90-ghz/specifications.html?wapkw=12600k

You're doing a great and valuable job so apologies again for taking up so much of your time.

Again... you're still misunderstanding. There's only so much I can dive into this so we're almost at the point where you can choose to believe me... or not.

3200Mhz is the default maximum. After 3200Mhz it's considered Overclocking, it's not really but we will define it as such to keep things simple.

Similar to the TDP, 125w is the default wattage. However, as stock the power output is 200w when boosting within it's own power levels, so these are just spec sheets to create fictitious borders.

When you put 3600Mhz RAM into the motherboard along with the CPU you can either run at the default 3200mhz speed, or you can turn on the XMP profile. XMP stands for eXtreme Memory Profile (EMP was already taken). When you enable this, it applies predefined settings to the system and allows the system to utilise the maximum standard of the RAM provided.

As I said before, prior to the 12 series, Intel typically ran at 2133 by default, the highest I recall is 2666Mhz by default. If you checked the spec sheet for most Intel processors they would state maximum as 2133-2666. However, not one single system I have ever recommended has had 2133 as the RAM spec. My own 9900k has 3200Mhz RAM. Only my Laptop has 2133 as 2400 wasn't available at the time.

If you still need further convincing just search for XMP.

PS here's my own spec sheet:

Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor (16M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Core™ i9-9900K Processor (16M Cache, up to 5.00 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

www.intel.co.uk

 

[iantrader]

Again I seem to be putting my foot in it. I simply posted the Intel link as it says the limit is 3200. I naively assumed they'd be right 😁 but I take your comments on board. It's a jungle of misinformation out there.

Back in the days of the 486 and Pentium chips I used to build my own PCs but take your eye off the ball for 6 month and it's a totally new ball game. It's 6 years since I looked at PC tech 😱 So you have my thanks and gratitude.

I'm now off to order your suggested spec 😁

Thank you.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Again I seem to be putting my foot in it. I simply posted the Intel link as it says the limit is 3200. I naively assumed they'd be right 😁 but I take your comments on board. It's a jungle of misinformation out there.

Back in the days of the 486 and Pentium chips I used to build my own PCs but take your eye off the ball for 6 month and it's a totally new ball game. It's 6 years since I looked at PC tech 😱 So you have my thanks and gratitude.

I'm now off to order your suggested spec 😁

Thank you.

It's not misinformation, a CPU has a max supported RAM speed it's capable of

All motherboards have overclocking settings for RAM, on DDR4 most boards will go up to 4500mhz or so.

Motherboard RAM overclocks are knows as DOCP for AMD boards and XMP for intel.

Basically every system on earth runs a memory overclock

 

[iantrader]

Hello Again - Resurrecting this to ask for recommendations for a GPU.


I do a little video editing (with Camtasia) and I hoped the built-in graphics would do the job but it's simply not up to it.

No games or anything that might need a siper GPU

Would appreciate suggestions, thank you.

Ian

 

[sck451]

Hello Again - Resurrecting this to ask for recommendations for a GPU.


I do a little video editing (with Camtasia) and I hoped the built-in graphics would do the job but it's simply not up to it.

No games or anything that might need a siper GPU

Would appreciate suggestions, thank you.

Ian

This is a how-long-is-a-piece-of-string question. How much do you want to spend? You could probably pick something up second-hand for £150 that would do the job, or you could get something new from PCS for about £200-250 that would do a job adequately for casual stuff. The ideal GPU for video editing is the 3060, really, but that's in the £400 range. I'm also not aware of precisely how Camtasia works and therefore what parts of a GPU it will be using. (For example, CUDA cores vs video encode/decode, which are managed separately.)

 

[iantrader]

Thank you.

Well, wanting to spend as little as possible but to get something that will do the job without falling over but not overkill.

I'm totally out of touch with current PC gear. I ran Camtasia on a 7/8-year old PC with a relatively inexpensive graphics card. The CPU in that didn't have built-in graphics and I got a card for 'general PC use', definitely not video editing and that worked OK.

The Camtasia specs recommend a

NVIDIA GeForce 10 Series or higher.

but often 'recommended' specs are at the very bottom of the ladder so happy to be advised.

Hope that helps.

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thank you.

Well, wanting to spend as little as possible but to get something that will do the job without falling over but not overkill.

I'm totally out of touch with current PC gear. I ran Camtasia on a 7/8-year old PC with a relatively inexpensive graphics card. The CPU in that didn't have built-in graphics and I got a card for 'general PC use', definitely not video editing and that worked OK.

The Camtasia specs recommend a

VIDIA GeForce 10 Series or higher.

but often 'recommended' specs are at the very bottom of the ladder so happy to be advised.

Hope that helps.

Again, what's the budget?

You're talking anything from say £200 up to several thousand.

 

[iantrader]

There's no point in saying the budget is £50 as I'm guessing you can't get a card for that so, as I said, something that will do the job adequately without going OTT.
If you absolutely need a budget then let's say £150

What would be the cheapest nvdia geforce 10?

 

[sck451]

The bottom end would be a 1650 Super (not the plain 1650), which PCS doesn't stock, but is easy to find used online for £150ish, maybe less if you hunt. The 1660 Super would be a decent option. The 3050 might actually have a use for this functionality, though it's relatively expensive for what it is. The 3060 would be an excellent middle-of-the-road option. The 3080 would be crazy good. The 3090 would be exceptional. Then you can go into the 3090, or the professional cards like the A5000. All of them would no doubt be great.

Value for money is definitely going to be at the lower end of the budget, though, for your your use case!