PSA: AMD AM5 issue with over voltage requiring BIOS update

[Rodderz]

Thanks for all the help guys, I spoken to pcs and gone for the cheapest 4800MHz. I have just ordered G.Skill 6000MHz ram and hopefully this will be better. Just hope that this isn’t a problem with a bad batch of silicone on the cpu!

Am I still under warranty if I just upgrade the ram?

 

[SpyderTracks]

Thanks for all the help guys, I spoken to pcs and gone for the cheapest 4800MHz. I have just ordered G.Skill 6000MHz ram and hopefully this will be better. Just hope that this isn’t a problem with a bad batch of silicone on the cpu!

Am I still under warranty if I just upgrade the ram?

It's not the CPU, it's the BIOS limitations currently.

Yes, warranty isn't affected by upgrading most components (aside from case, motherboard and CPU) but keep hold of the original stock as you'd have to put that back in if you need to RMA

 

[SpyderTracks]

This is looking promising, skip to 3:25

AMD have rolled out a new AGESA update for RAM stability. At the moment some board partners only have beta BIOSes out, but keep an eye out as it would be worth anyone on AM5 flashing this once it’s out of beta, especially if you’re running over 5600MHz

The new AGESA version is 1.007b

 

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[FerO'R]

Any word on how more recent PCSpecialist builds have been handling this issue? Particularly wondering if they would be applying the ASUS BIOS updates rolled out in May to boards on newly built machines ordered since then, or whether you'd have to either contact them specifically, or just DYI the BIOS update on receipt of the machine.

I know there was a post from PCS from a few years ago saying they don't do BIOS updates on ASUS motherboards, but wondered if this specific issue might be an exception.

 

[Scott]

Any word on how more recent PCSpecialist builds have been handling this issue? Particularly wondering if they would be applying the ASUS BIOS updates rolled out in May to boards on newly built machines ordered since then, or whether you'd have to either contact them specifically, or just DYI the BIOS update on receipt of the machine.

I know there was a post from PCS from a few years ago saying they don't do BIOS updates on ASUS motherboards, but wondered if this specific issue might be an exception.

Have you got a link to that? Just so that I can understand the context. Are you thinking of Beta BIOS?

PCS typically always update to the latest stable BIOS before dispatch. Whichever offering is available at the time of build/test will be applied to the system.

 

[Scott]

Not sure on the roll-out dates but that's the 1.007b gone into BETA on ASUS. I'm going to test it over the weekend to see how it runs with 6400Mhz, hoping for good things.

PCS likely won't offer it as an update as everything is stable for now, but once the proper non-beta version rolls out I think we could see the 6000+ options making their way back into the configurator, which has been a long time coming

 

[SpyderTracks]

Not sure on the roll-out dates but that's the 1.007b gone into BETA on ASUS. I'm going to test it over the weekend to see how it runs with 6400Mhz, hoping for good things.

PCS likely won't offer it as an update as everything is stable for now, but once the proper non-beta version rolls out I think we could see the 6000+ options making their way back into the configurator, which has been a long time coming

There's a video by buildzoid on the new 1.007b AGESA update, worth a watch, I haven't watched it yet, but Buildzoid is the go to guy for stuff like this.

Would be very interested in your findings, Scott, I have a good feeling about this, although I know AMD have had a few mis-starts with this issue over the AM5 lifetime.

 

[Scott]

That's for 2:1 on the memory clock. I won't be touching that as you need to get extreme speeds for it to be any use.

Shows what's possible with the new Agesa though so that seems very positive

He does mention 6400 being able to run on a potato chip now so that should be good for everyone.

 

[B4zookaw]

Yeah think I read that 6400 might be the new sweet spot for AM5 RAM if this bios is stable.

 

[Scott]

Updated to the beta. Previously I was on 6200Mhz, I've now bumped it up to 6400Mhz with the new BIOS in. Reconfigured every setting to be exactly the same other than the frequency, including the timing settings for the RAM.

Currently running Firestrike to see the difference (My guess is effectively Nil but we shall see).

The proper proof in the pudding will be running it daily as it's been flawless at 6200Mhz.

 

[Scott]

As predicted, the difference is nil

Certainly where Firestrike is concerned, the RAM frequency makes no difference. I'm sure there are other tests that will be more beneficial with the RAM. The main score difference is the GPU score, so the effective difference is definitely margin of error.

Pre-Beta 6200Mhz:
Score - 49782 (Physics 33889)

I scored 49 782 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

Post-Beta 6400Mhz:
Score - 49588 (Physics 33864)

I scored 49 588 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

I'll do a quick run with 6000Mhz and 6200Mhz with the new BIOS as well just for completeness. Will update this post.

For info, none of these runs were at all optimised. To keep it simple I just did a reboot with all background processes left doing their thing etc. Has an impact but should be the same across them all.

 

[Scott]

Ok, cat amongst the pigeons here. I just ran at 6000Mhz and smashed my best score so far. I'm actually blown away with what's just happened.

The result is invalid due to the LOD settings (16x Ansitropic is set) so I've reset this and I've lined up for a slightly better run if possible.

I scored 50 925 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

Interesting to see where I can get on the scoreboard with this


Edit: Looks like a 1 off fluke. The run is down to the GPU score getting into 71000 territory, higher than I've had it (but in line with where it should be, something is choking Firestrike).

The 6000Mhz is still getting a higher score than the other frequencies so far though.

I scored 50 183 in Fire Strike

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 x 1, 32768 MB, 64-bit Windows 11}

www.3dmark.com

Edit:

I've done loads of runs and loads of testing. There's not a lot between 6000, 6200 or 6400 when it comes to benchmarking but 6000 is consistently better and higher at scoring. It's going to be down to the clock ratio and I'm almost positive that I could get better results with the higher frequencies with a ton of playing around but it's a clear indication that for anyone opting for AM5 that 6000Mhz is going to be the sweet spot for the DOC profiles.

 

[FerO'R]

Have you got a link to that? Just so that I can understand the context. Are you thinking of Beta BIOS?

PCS typically always update to the latest stable BIOS before dispatch. Whichever offering is available at the time of build/test will be applied to the system.

BIOS Updates

Hello! We have seen an increase in questions regarding our policy on BIOS upgrades, I would like to clear some of the confusion up with this post, please read below. I will add an entry of our terms and conditions regarding BIOS updayes under the post. We don't supply the BIOS updates for...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

I didn't realise it was actually stickied on this forum, had found it on search before. Is it just referring to post-sale BIOS upgrades?

 

[Scott]

BIOS Updates

Hello! We have seen an increase in questions regarding our policy on BIOS upgrades, I would like to clear some of the confusion up with this post, please read below. I will add an entry of our terms and conditions regarding BIOS updayes under the post. We don't supply the BIOS updates for...

www.pcspecialist.co.uk

I didn't realise it was actually stickied on this forum, had found it on search before. Is it just referring to post-sale BIOS upgrades?

That's with regards to the downloads section. The note is saying that they don't provide the updates for people to download and install themselves. They are still installed at the factory prior to dispatch, only the most recently tested version though.