This SOPA group is really cheesing me off

[Wozza63]

It didn't really bother me at first but if this thread is true, ill be very very annoyed, PCS forums may even be affected by this as it has gaming stuff on it

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/01/12/e...ter-for-gamers-and-the-games-media-worldwide/

 

[UndeadJack]

it should not and will not be enacted. Great firewall of China anybody? This could effectively cause even youtube to block or even facebook. Millions upon millions of pieces of copyright content is put online without consent. Blocking a domain for this is ridiculous and not viable. If it does happen the EU economy will soon be minted.

 

[Gishank]

Piracy, if anything - benefits good film/game devs. SOPA is quite frankly a retarded way to combat piracy at any rate and is purely there for America to have more control over it's populace. SOPA however won't have any effect on PCSpecialist given it's hosted on UK Servers, and is a UK-based company aka it's not effected by US legislation.

 

[Corfate]

I read that if people are caught pirating stuff in the UK or anyother country, the US would have the power to get you deported or something?Anybody shed some light on this?

 

[Music Guy123]

I read that if people are caught pirating stuff in the UK or anyother country, the US would have the power to get you deported or something?Anybody shed some light on this?

Surely this would mean deporting probably several million people at least. That is if it is true, I don't really know how they could do it.

 

[Corfate]

Surely this would mean deporting probably several million people at least. That is if it is true, I don't really know how they could do it.

I didn't think of it that way.. The logistics of it would never work.. Haha, cheers

 

[Tom DWC]

I read that if people are caught pirating stuff in the UK or anyother country, the US would have the power to get you deported or something?Anybody shed some light on this?

Not sure. I think they can extradite people in certain situations, though usually for serious hacking rather than pirating. (Gary McKinnon being an example, been going on for ages. Even though we have proof he has Asperger's syndrome they're still trying to force him to face trial in the US, with much greater punishment, and no top officials seem to be able to stop this).

I highly doubt they'd ever put a 13 year old kid that downloaded COD behind bars across the pond.

 

[Music Guy123]

I don't know, was just thinking!

I think tomdwc has a point, they probably won't get someone who has pirated so much, especially if they have done the odd game or video, program etc. It will be hackers that will probably targeted and virus starters if possible etc.

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

I agree SOPA is stupid in itscurrent form, but please lets not make this another thread that includes ridiculous comments like "Piracy is good"...because it isn't ever!

 

[Kalisnoir]

Im sure I read an article on it and they said it had already been put in effect for a week or so on a website that wasn't within the US because of copyright material on it. I might just be imagining it though ha.

 

[NMEBowen]

just like to point out mincraft creator notch`s most recent tweet "Just pirate it. If you still like it when you can afford it in the future, buy it then. Also don't forget to feel bad. " many of the current smaller game creators would prefer their content to be played therefore increasing publicity even if this means the content is pirated. look at james cameron`s Avatar the so called highest grossing film why is it got this record (concidering its a awful film) because people cant walk into the cinema and use their video cam to record 3d content therefore people who normally watch films online had to goto the cinema to watch it. 3d is certainly winning the war against film piracy and its a good way of doing so its in no way fighting piracy but it had found a way around it, this is they way they should go about piracy not just threatening the little people.

 

[UndeadJack]

The idiotic Republicans who want this passed suggested anything that is blocked from a USA server is worldwide blocked, de-listing google pages and giving a 501/3 error. IF however, it is an EU or other non US hosted website, they would make the website blocked for the Americans only. The stupider thing is that this was devised by a bunch of extremist Christians (Mitt Romney's lot) who want to "protect the rights of copyright holders and children". Idiots. /facepalm

 

[Frenchy]

Every discussion that goes on about this, be it on this forum or any other I have been on, people always seem to make the point that its wrong because you should be allowed to break copyright etc etc. Im sick of hearing it, anyone with that train of thought has obviously had some sort of brain malfunction and is under the assumption that stealing is now ok. It isn't. Now while I don't agree with the way the whole thing is being put forward I also don't agree with the way most people are protesting against it and the reasons for which they are doing so.

 

[Kalisnoir]

What people are complaining about is that you wouldn't even be allowed to view this forum because you have copyrighted logo's in your signature. You might not be selling them logo's as your own, but the point is there copyrighted, and anything copyrighted used without the owners permission is considered a site to be blocked. Any youtube video (provided youtube hadn't been blocked (Which it would be)) would also deem this forum unsuitable because there are video's on here that are from other users youtube account and people have posted them without permission.

 

[Frenchy]

What people are complaining about is that you wouldn't even be allowed to view this forum because you have copyrighted logo's in your signature. You might not be selling them logo's as your own, but the point is there copyrighted, and anything copyrighted used without the owners permission is considered a site to be blocked. Any youtube video (provided youtube hadn't been blocked (Which it would be)) would also deem this forum unsuitable because there are video's on here that are from other users youtube account and people have posted them without permission.

No i completely agree, I also have a problem with this nonsense, hence why I said I also object to SOPA since it encompasses a lot more than it intends to. However the point i was making was referring to downloads and piracy, this is a big problem and people seem to be battling SOPA by using stupid comments to the effect of "it shouldnt be allowed because it blocks my freedom to download the latest games for free", my answer to these people, get a job, stop stealing.

 

[NMEBowen]

to what i said earlier some publishers relish the fact that people pirate their software, i dont pirate myself purely because its the best way to get a virus but i think theres alot better ways to stop piracy than this destructive crap the us want to impliment. the fact is the majority of amaericans who want this legislation to go through dont understand what it will do to the internet, they dont even use the internet there happy to get their blue vhs and mags and havent seen the light of the internet

 

[DeadEyeDuk]

I think we pretty much all agree piracy is wrong (and if you don't, get out, now).

Bowen, I think people like notch are wrong. Popular developers like him have a good deal of influence on a particular crowd (often those that are willing to pirate) and should therefore encourage people NOT to pirate. If he is happy for his games to be in people's possession for free, he should give them away, that is his choice. People have been doing this in the music industry for years; record an album, give away for free, generate buzz, second album sells loads. There is never an excuse to glorify or promote piracy, but especially when it comes from someone in a position of power (in the given industry).

No, SOPA should not be there, because as you say, it does faaaaaaaaaaar more than perhaps even some who wrote it meant it to, but French is right, you cannot counter it by defending piracy (not saying anyone is!), because that just fuels the ignorant-SOPA-supporting-American view that the bill is needed.

As someone said earlier, if it goes through, I think many people will both intentionally and in a lot of cases unintentionally break the rules, simply by doing what they do now (i.e. completely legal things), and we shall await the law suites against the 600 million people that do so

 

[Pete]

I think we pretty much all agree piracy is wrong (and if you don't, get out, now).

well said Duk

copyright is one of those laws which people think/assume doesn't really apply; who has recorded stuff off the radio (in the old days), recorded TV, PVR'd content which they've kept for more than 28 days, ripped CD's to their pc's.... i'm not saying that all these laws are still valid, but that the law moves more slowly than technology.

iTunes and Steam (and thier rivals) have i'm sure gone a long way to reduce music and game piracy. TV & Movie piracy will one day i'm sure follow suit when the likes of NetFlix have the content. Which in turn can only mean more and better content.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/04/study_piracy_legal_alternative/
http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/04/pirated_videogames_in_decline/

/2p

Edit : and to also agree that SOPA could/maybe/will have a more profound effect than expected.

 

[UndeadJack]

Every discussion that goes on about this, be it on this forum or any other I have been on, people always seem to make the point that its wrong because you should be allowed to break copyright etc etc. Im sick of hearing it, anyone with that train of thought has obviously had some sort of brain malfunction and is under the assumption that stealing is now ok. It isn't. Now while I don't agree with the way the whole thing is being put forward I also don't agree with the way most people are protesting against it and the reasons for which they are doing so.

Of course piracy is wrong. It is lost profit for legitimate companies.

What people are complaining about is that you wouldn't even be allowed to view this forum because you have copyrighted logo's in your signature. You might not be selling them logo's as your own, but the point is there copyrighted, and anything copyrighted used without the owners permission is considered a site to be blocked. Any youtube video (provided youtube hadn't been blocked (Which it would be)) would also deem this forum unsuitable because there are video's on here that are from other users youtube account and people have posted them without permission.

They can be considered educational (due to newbies) - ignores copyright law.

well said Duk

copyright is one of those laws which people think/assume doesn't really apply; who has recorded stuff off the radio (in the old days), recorded TV, PVR'd content which they've kept for more than 28 days, ripped CD's to their pc's.... i'm not saying that all these laws are still valid, but that the law moves more slowly than technology.

iTunes and Steam (and thier rivals) have i'm sure gone a long way to reduce music and game piracy. TV & Movie piracy will one day i'm sure follow suit when the likes of NetFlix have the content. Which in turn can only mean more and better content.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/04/study_piracy_legal_alternative/
http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/04/pirated_videogames_in_decline/

/2p

Edit : and to also agree that SOPA could/maybe/will have a more profound effect than expected.

SOPA would in effect cause a Great Firewall of World Wide Web. The extremities it would resort to are ridiculous, you take down content, not block a very valuable domain.

 

[Tom DWC]

I retract my previous skepticism. Blimey!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-16544335

I'm sure he knew what he was doing but as he wasn't actually hosting anything, like the article says, he's not really doing anything more than what google does with millions of dodgy websites everyday. (I'm not saying it's right, but talk about picking on the little guy).