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Mary.Rice

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A warning to anyone thinking about ordering from Pcspecialist.

!!!DONT!!!

Over the past couple of months i have had a nightmare with the staff and managers alike.

I recently sent my PC back to have the P67 motherboard replaced as Intel announced it had a fault with the sata ports. I phoned up and requested a new motherboard which was in the solution options given to me.

I was then told i would have to pay for the collection and that because i no longer had the orignal packing i would also have to pay for that too.

You can return your computer to us under warranty and we will replace the motherboard free of charge

Although the cause of this problem is beyond our control, it is us who will be rectifying the problem and as always we aim to provide the best possible customer service.

This is their problem to rectify.

If the problem with the motherboard never happened i wouldnt have had to send my computer back in the first place and feel justified in not paying for the packing or collection.

After many phone calls i was met with a brick wall and told if i didn't pay they wouldnt be able to do anything for me. I then paid for the collection in order to get my RMA done and not waste any more time.

I then spent a good few hours after paying arguing that i shouldnt have to pay for the collection. I finally got someone to see sense in the matter and was refunded the collection charge but still they couldnt send out packing. I argued again that under the same principle i shouldnt have to pay for the packing to be sent out either.

This fell on deaf ears all the way up to the collection day were i then had to package the computer myself. I wrapped the computer in a double layer of industrial bubble wrap and two layers of cardboard.

On the 19th of July 2011 i was sent an email telling me my PC was damaged during transport.


I was not happy to say the least and again argued that the packing should have been provided free of charge and if this problem had never occurred i wouldnt have had to send the PC back. I would fully expect to pay for packing if i had damaged the PC myself and needed to return it for a repair but as this was not the case i still didnt see why i should have to pay £15 + for new packing when we had already agreed i shouldnt have to pay for the return fees under the same principle.

I then decided to call Yodal and explain what had happened, i got through to a guy called Craig Hollindale from Yodal Claims Centre and explained everything to him. I sent the pictures of the computer including the packaging it was in as it was getting taken out by Pcspecailist. He told me that the packaging was fine and i should get Pcspecialist to put a claim in as they were the contract holders.

I then asked Pcspecialist to make a claim and met with "no". A few more hours of phone calls and finally i got someone to make a claim.

I then asked for a full damage report to be made of the damage to the computer and was told, the only damage to the PC was what they included in the email they had sent me.

After all the weeks of phone calls and banging my head against the wall at how idiotic the staff and mangers were, they agreed to fix the damage. I thought finally, i get my computer back.


It didnt end though and once i got my PC back i opened it up to find my graphics card shrouds hanging off the cards. I took pictures of how i found them and got straight on the phone to Pcspecialist and was told the computer was sent back fully tested and with no damage. After 20 minutes of arguing yet again i was talking to a brick wall so decided to keep ringing back till i got someone with a brain cell. Over the next three phone calls i was told the same thing, the computer was set back with no damage.

I was then told to take pictures of the damage and send an email including the pictures. Taking the graphics cards out and carefully taking pictures at each stage i became aware that these graphics cards looked second hand and very used without the fact they were damaged. The bottom of the computer case had no broken plastic or screws yet both graphics cards were missing brackets and screws.

I phoned back and explained the full damage including my thoughts that these cards were not the ones i sent, as my cards were brand new. I was told there was no damage on the graphics cards when it left Pcspecialist. The member of staff on the phone had personally left his desk putting me on hold to ask the person who handled my RMA if there was any damage to the graphics cards, a few minutes later he returned and told me there was no damage to the graphics cards and that nobody had touched my graphics cards during the RMA.

I then hung up and started to take more detailed pictures ready to send, on closer inspection and after removing the shrouds from the cards i discovered the screws used to attach the shrouds were different sizes and colour. I included pictures of the screws and sent them all off.


Seeing the different size and colour screws i then placed another phone call informing them of this and demanding answers after i was told by four other people my graphics cards were never touched. I was then told that they were aware of the damage and because it was only minor damage they didnt tell me about it.

He went on to explain that the cause of the damage was my fault and done when my case was damaged.

I had been asking for weeks and weeks for a full damage report and was told over and over again that the only damage done to my computer was included in the email they sent me.


Here is the damage part of that email.

In this case the pc case has been damaged there is a dent in the rear right, the top vent is broken. It is not necessary to replace the case but if you wish to have it replaced it will cost £59 plus £15 for our replacement packaging which must be purchased either way. Should you choose not to have the case repaired any further damage sustained by the case would not be covered by our courier insurance.
I have also noticed that one of the front USB ports is broken this would require a replacement front panel this would be included in the case change or is you were not to have the case changed it would cost £30. Please inform me or one of our call centre staff what you would like to do.

If I can be of any further assistance regarding this RMA please do not hesitate to contact me.

After having family members re-read this email to make sure i wasnt going blind they also confirmed it doesnt mention any damage to graphics cards in the email.

I phoned back up and and asked if they could explain why the email with all the damage didnt include the damage to the graphics cards, if you are now telling me you knew about the damage. I then got a new story explaining how they made a claim to Yodal for my computer case and found the damage to the graphics cards after putting the claim in and couldnt add to that claim. As it was minor damage they just left it how it was.


In what world does that make any sense?


Now they are saying i need to pay to send back in the graphics cards which again leaves me without a computer even though it's in my house.
More importantly i would be sending them the only proof i have that these cards are not the orignal cards i sent and gives them chance to replace and cover their tracks.

I have lost all confidence in this company and wouldnt trust them with my toilet paper.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1982/29


These are just a few of the compalints i found out of the many.


Since then I have been struggling to get the company to either fix my PC or refund me, the last time it came back to me "fixed" they didn't package it properly, a ploy they tend to do when things don't go their way (believe me I have found three other cases that are identical to mine) and the graphics card was hanging on by a thin wire and heaven knows what further damage this has caused. I asked for my money back and first off they said yes but then changed their minds and refused point blank to refund any money to me.

I'm now in that last stages of taking Pcspecialist to court after exhausting every other option and being ignored.

Despite being frustrated and deflatated by the whole experience i still find the funny side of this:


PCSpecialist we'll build you a nightmare:

Well titled by another person going through the same shocking system that is PCspecailist.
 
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Wozza63

Biblical Poster
Its such ashame becuase ive been here awhile and 99% of reviews are highly positive, even of those who had multiple problems and multiple RMAs, was you even under warranty still? Of course you would have to pay for everything if you are no longer under warranty
 

Frenchy

Prolific Poster
Its such ashame becuase ive been here awhile and 99% of reviews are highly positive, even of those who had multiple problems and multiple RMAs, was you even under warranty still? Of course you would have to pay for everything if you are no longer under warranty

I wouldnt say that, it was a recall of motherboards due to manufacturers fault therefore should not incur cost, however I have not heard both sides of the story and therefore will not be making an opinioon of my own at this point.
 

TopCat

Active member
i hope this doesnt happen to me, the worst thing ever is a cocky phone service guy. or a non - responding company.
 

Norseman

New member
Thanks for the warning that is truly shocking. I had hoped these people were pretty solid.

Looks like I had better head over to 'someone else'*

*edit by Rakk: offending link replaced by 'someone else'
 
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tom_gr7

Life Serving
Thanks for the warning that is truly shocking. I had hoped these people were pretty solid.

Looks like I had better head over to *

Dude don't listen to one complaint and make up your mind there and then! It's cool to do some research but one negative review can't possibly make up ya mind.

Like frenchy says we have not heard both sides of the story!


*Rakk has taken out the link
 
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Rakk

The Awesome
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Thanks for the warning that is truly shocking. I had hoped these people were pretty solid.

Remember that no company ever has a 100% record of keeping everyone happy, and you might want to hold your judgement til you hear PCS's side of things
 

Wozza63

Biblical Poster
Trust me, ive read 100s of reviews for PCS and a few of its competitors and many of them such as kobalt are coming back with 1 star ratings daily! Whereas majority of pcs are 4-5 stars
 

Frenchy

Prolific Poster
Thanks for the warning that is truly shocking. I had hoped these people were pretty solid.

Looks like I had better head over to 'someone else'*

*edit by Rakk: offending link replaced by 'someone else'

I remember reading a review on amazon about them being thieving bastards etc etc, this negative comment can not be taken as the full evidence, clearly amazon is not a thieveing company. It may have in certain situation done something which one person escalated.

Again I cant make a decision based on one side of the story it would be unfair to PCS.
 

Corfate

Author Level
Every company has cases where people aren't satisfied with their product, and it seems this is one of those unfortunate occasions.

Hopefully you'll get it sorted out, PCS seem to have good ratings, so.. Good luck!

Edit: Nobody is 100% perfect, so nothing in this world will ever be 'perfect' :(
 

NMEBowen

Master Poster
yes this indeed a shame you didnt get the ideal service but on the other hand you cannot totally blame pcs.
I personally will be taking detailed photos of every stage of my unboxing not just for the other geeks such as myself on the forums but because its the way you should go round internet shopping. No offence to pcs but due to personal experiance of other companys i do this, also i will be going through my pc with a fine tooth comb checking cables and screws not because i dont trust pcs its more the fact i dont trust anyone.
My background as a electician and portable appliance tester ive seen brand new products from companies such as tescos, dixons and many other reputable companies fail british standard tests because of the products they are supplied with.
I cannot see that pcs would swap out your gpu`s either, as an established company a bad reputaion is the worse thing possible and will cost you more than the small ammount you think they would gain from your cards. I would take a guess that they compile 1000s of pcs a year so as i said your gfx cards are worthless to a custom pc company.

Like i said i am sorry for your unnecessary anguish but from what you have described im guessing you were angry and decided to take this out on the pcs staff and this is not the way to go about things, treat others as you want to be treated.
 

PCS

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This is the first I've heard of your experience. and I'm very sorry that you've had such a negative experience with PC Specialist. From reading your very detailed account and without trying to point any fingers it all looks to have stemmed from the Sandy Bridge Chipset issue and the (lack of) suitable packaging in which to return your computer.

Sandy Bridge chipset issue -> Lack of suitable packaging -> Damaged return (back to us) -> Damaged return (back to you).

It's clear that you're very frustrated with your experience but I don't think our forums are the best place to resolve issues such as this. I will investigate this issue further tomorrow and we will contact you with further information.
 
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Maestro

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Hello,

Interesting reading, but it is re-assuring to know that some people are not judgemental & understand there are two sides to every story. It is also testament to our open-ness that a post such as this is left live. I will not say that we have been perfect in dealing with this matter, but will give a brief account of events from our perspective.

The sandy bridge issue was a major headache for us & all companies to deal with, & this customer did wish to return his pc because of issues that looked like a manifestation of the issue which he had every right to do.

It is now important to note that we ask customers to keep the original packaging from their pc in order that if they ever need to return it they have the correct packaging to do so. The packaging we use is drop tested at the Sealed Air labs, & provides adequate shock resistance & protection in the event of a rough transit.

We tell customers to keep & use the original packaging:-

1. on the box itself
2. In the welcome pack on page 6 (introduction), page 8 (first steps), page 22 & 23 (rma procedure)
3. In numerous emails, rma accepted etc.
4. Over the phone, where we quite clearly state that if you don’t have the original packaging, then we can send some more.

We also make it clear that when sending goods to us, the customer does have a duty of care & it is their responsibility to ensure the item is adequately packed given the nature & value of the goods if they decide not to use our packaging. If they do want us to send new packaging then we only charge for the cost of sending the packaging (£15). We don’t charge for the packaging itself.

At this point I will make it clear that the customer was not prepared to pay for us sending some custom packaging. Some of you may have differing views on this, but when you buy a product you are also paying for the packaging. It is part of the goods you are purchasing, & certainly sensible to keep this during the warranty period. Given the efforts we go to tell the customer to keep the packaging I think it is a reasonable compromise to charge £15 to cover the cost of sending new packaging.

I will also point out that the customer was incorrectly charged £35 for the RMA collect & return costs. This was however cancelled & refunded on the same day as charged when the issue was brought to a manager’s attention. This was a simple process error in that the advisor at the time was unsure of the process for the sandy bridge issue.

So, the customer had been given his rma number, & sent his pc back in his own packaging, despite all the advice & warnings he was given. He was told that by using his own packaging any liability for damage would be his, & his pc was duly returned.

Up to this point I don’t believe we have acted unreasonably. We accepted his request to return the pc to correct the sandy bridge issue without hesitation, we informed him about packaging & liability, & the only error that was made in charging £35 was refunded the same day as payment was taken as soon as it was looked into.

The pc was received & lo & behold it was damaged. See the picture below. This was how the pc was received. I will leave you to make your own minds up regarding suitability of the packaging for a £1000 pc. We informed the customer that the pc had been damaged & that charges will be made to cover the cost of correcting the damage. At this point please note that the maximum liability that DHL (now yodel) will pay for damage is £100 & the claim can take up to 6 months before any pay-out is received. It is a complex process, requiring pictures, invoices, letters etc. At the end of it all they may pay out or they may not. The customer may have spoken with a claims advisor at yodel of which there are many, but it is simply not possible to determine whether a claim will be successful or not until the claim has been processed.

This is why we strongly recommend customers use our packaging. In any event, if they don’t & your pc is smashed, £100 does not go a long way to cover it, & you cannot expect pc specialist to simply roll over, pay for all the damage, when it is the customer who has the duty of care to ensure the goods are received by us in good condition, & when we give them every opportunity to ensure they have adequate packaging. Damage to a pc in the vast majority of cases costs far more than £100 & we cannot be responsible for these costs given the lengths we go to educate & inform customers to keep the packaging or procure new packaging.

At this point another mistake was made by us. The customer was only informed that the case was damaged & the cost would be £59 for anew case etc. Please not that at this point we have given the customer the option of returning the pc in our packaging & informed them that liability for damage will be his if specialty original packaging is not used. Irrespective of what subsequently happens with yodel / claims etc., the customer accepted the conditions by continuing his actions of returning the pc in his own packaging after we had informed him of this.

However, although we told the customer that liability for damage was his prior to sending it back in his own packaging. Although we told the customer we could send new packaging for £15, given that he had disposed of the original packaging despite numerous requests not to, this notice of damage & request for payment to change to the case was met with obstinate, intransigence & when we would not give way on the issue, offensive language & shouting on the phone. He was not willing to pay anything & did not believe that he had any responsibility what so ever for the damage that had occurred.
The customer was calling very frequently & at some point possibly spoke with most members of the call centre team. A lot of you reading this will have spoken with members of the call centre yourselves. They are polite & helpful in the main, but the customer was not hearing or getting what he wanted & these calls were ending at an impasse with the customer generally getting irate, so ended up speaking with the Complaints Manager.
At this point, it was decided rightly or wrongly, in order to close the matter that we would cover the cost of the case change.
So please bear in mind up to now, that when the customer was charged £35 incorrectly it was refunded the same day. When we told the customer to send his pc in original packaging, he didn’t. When we told the customer we can send some new specialty packing for £15 he refused. When we told the customer liability for damage when sending his pc back in his own packaging rests with him, he still sent the pc. When we told the customer that the case was damaged & it would cost £59 he got irate, & when the issue was sent to complaints, for the sake of resolving the issue & a goodwill gesture we covered this cost also. He also got his new pc returned in new packaging at no cost.
Now I mentioned earlier that we had made a mistake in telling the customer that only his case was damaged & the cost would be £59. I t appears that some cosmetic damage was done to one of the gpu’s that was missed in the initial examination & not reported. It appeared at the time of testing & diagnosis that functionally the card was fine, but that the plastic housing was damaged. This was repaired as it certainly would not have been covered by us, given that we had already agreed to cover the cost of the case. The technician believed that the gpu was fine after repair & after the motherboard (sandy bridge issue) & case were changed passed the pc for dispatch.
On receipt of the pc it appears that further damage had taken place in transit & that the gpu’s plastic housing had come loose. It is standard procedure in all cases of damage that we ask the customer to take pictures in order that we can see what has happened & also for evidence of damage should we need to submit a claim.
The customer, although he would have you believe otherwise, was told that we can sort this out. He was provided with RC (Return component) numbers & asked to send the cards back to us. We explained that he could do this one at a time, so keeping use of the pc, or both together. He was told the cards are eol (end of life) & that is why we need them back in order to get a replacement for them from the manufacturers. He was also told that the costs of any postage he incurred would be refunded.
I am not sure why but this is unreasonable. Again he has called probably every member of the call centre team & again most calls have had to be terminated because of the obstinate & shouting nature of the calls.

He was proved with the RC numbers for the cards on the 3rd August. He was told that they would be replaced once received by us. He was told that postage would be refunded. He was told he could return one at a time. However all this, for some reason doesn’t sink in & we are just unreasonable & worse.
The customer says that since receiving his pc back he has been struggling to get us to fix his pc or refund for it. Well, given the above paragraph, this is testament to why it is always worthwhile getting both sides of the story. The customer has the RC NUMBERS, given a week ago, & had he shown an ounce of compromise & sent the cards to us, this would all be sorted.

As I have said previously, when issues arise, it generally requires both parties to show a bit of patience, & compromise & the most important trait is reasonable-ness. I will let you judge if you think we have been reasonable.

A the end of the day this whole saga was brought about by the fact that the customer did not package his computer sufficiently for the type & value of the item, & then all the way from that point to this has blamed everybody else & so far not suffered any of the direct costs associated with his actions. Even now, when we simply ask him to return the cards so we can actually REPLACE them again at our cost, we are being unreasonable.
 

Gorman

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This is a typical machine packaged correctly:

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This is how the machine was packaged:

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